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Started by Farroc, March 02, 2013, 09:36:09 AM

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Alaric I

Quote from: "_Xenu_"There's no reason Windows chess programs would ever be programmed to be as difficult as Deep Blue. If they were, playing against them would be useless and no one would buy the software. Regarding human interference, I don't know any more than you do. Its possible, but theres no way to know for sure, and no guarantee that if it did happen it didn't ultimately improve the AI.

No no no, I wasn't saying that they are programmed to be that hard, the point was that they allow for human interjection.  If DB was allowed to do that than was it ever really that good?

_Xenu_

Quote from: "Alaric I"
Quote from: "_Xenu_"There's no reason Windows chess programs would ever be programmed to be as difficult as Deep Blue. If they were, playing against them would be useless and no one would buy the software. Regarding human interference, I don't know any more than you do. Its possible, but theres no way to know for sure, and no guarantee that if it did happen it didn't ultimately improve the AI.

No no no, I wasn't saying that they are programmed to be that hard, the point was that they allow for human interjection.  If DB was allowed to do that than was it ever really that good?
Your question is hypothetical and avoids important points. First, theres no way for your average Windows chess program to incorporate human intervention. If deep blue was interfered with in the way you suggest, then no it wasn't "that good." I'm not saying it didn't happen, but if you wish to assert that it did, the burden of proof is on you.
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AllPurposeAtheist

You have proven beyond a reasonable doubt that chess threads are more boring than used toilet paper after flushing.  :-|
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Alaric I

Quote from: "_Xenu_"Your question is hypothetical and avoids important points. First, theres no way for your average Windows chess program to incorporate human intervention. If deep blue was interfered with in the way you suggest, then no it wasn't "that good." I'm not saying it didn't happen, but if you wish to assert that it did, the burden of proof is on you.

There is a way for your typical chess program to incorporate human interfereance, in fact it does as in a simple form of being able to swap from a computer opponent to a human oppenent while still in game.  I was not the one that made the assertion, I merely conveyed what started the controversy, which you in fact happened to say you knew about.

_Xenu_

While its technically possible to insert a human into an online chess match, its well outside the norm. I think real life examples of this are extremely rare if existent at all.  Having said that, I admittedly should have phrased my sentence more carefully. But in any case, this conversation has strayed too far from its origin and no longer holds my interest.
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Zatoichi

I once tried to create a new version of chess with a hexagonal board so three people could play.

Also tooled around with extending the board to 10x10 and 12x12 and creating new pieces with special capabilities.

I finally came to the conclusion that the game is perfect as it is and cannot be improved.
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Alaric I

Quote from: "Zatoichi"I once tried to create a new version of chess with a hexagonal board so three people could play.

Also tooled around with extending the board to 10x10 and 12x12 and creating new pieces with special capabilities.

I finally came to the conclusion that the game is perfect as it is and cannot be improved.

Many have tried, and I have seen a 15x15 where you get two of each of the pieces minus the rook where you only get one extra and you have to capture one king before you can win.  I have also seen what is know as "Super Chess" where when you capture a piece you gain it's power until you move like that piece.  This version sucked the most because you could win the game with 1 piece.

Zatoichi

Quote from: "Alaric I"
Quote from: "Zatoichi"I once tried to create a new version of chess with a hexagonal board so three people could play.

Also tooled around with extending the board to 10x10 and 12x12 and creating new pieces with special capabilities.

I finally came to the conclusion that the game is perfect as it is and cannot be improved.

Many have tried, and I have seen a 15x15 where you get two of each of the pieces minus the rook where you only get one extra and you have to capture one king before you can win.  I have also seen what is know as "Super Chess" where when you capture a piece you gain it's power until you move like that piece.  This version sucked the most because you could win the game with 1 piece.

Same problems I ran into... it unbalanced the game and either made it too hard to win or too easy.

But I would still like to see a way of making it a 3-player game. THAT would be very interesting since Chess is basically a metaphor for conflict and warfare, and as we all know there are often more than two participants in war.

This would open up the possibility for alliances, initially anyway... then after one player is eliminated, the game continues, etc. How to keep it balanced is the tricky part.

I came up with pieces that could change from vertical/lateral movement, like a Rook, to diagonal movement, like Bishops, only they could only change every other move so you would have to remember what it's properties were the last time it moved. Also had the diagonal equivalent of the Knight... two up, one over, but in diagonal. And a piece that could become a blocker if you chose to make no moves in the turn, but you we're barred from ever moving it again, making it a permanent block on the board, and no pieces path could go through it.

Lot's of fun playing around with different ideas though.
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Plu


Zatoichi

Quote from: "Plu"Look no further, then.

http://triplechess.com/

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Looks almost just like my version but my board was all hexagons instead of triangles and the lineups were on only one edge of the big hex. I think my version had far too many spaces than this, though it looks just as confusing to play as my version, haha!  :P

Bastards beat me to it though!  #-o
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Farroc

What if you were to put six chess boards together in a huge rectangle? Six player chess... :)  :-D  :shock:  :lol:  =D>  :rolleyes:  :P
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Plu

I'm pretty sure that some players would be check-mate from the start if you just hook the boards up together.

Although I have once seen a 4-player chessboard as well. It had two extra rows on each side of the board where the pieces were set for each player, and the 8x8 center was empty. But it looked like it wouldn't work properly.

Jutter

Not much into chess, but the other day I got one of this fellow's videos instead of the usual commercial. I thought it might suit this thread.
http://www.youtube.com/user/KebuChess

[youtube:38eid5dj]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjIt_88BLHE[/youtube:38eid5dj]
And I came across this older video, featuring mr. Karpov.
[youtube:38eid5dj]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnRB3QjgPAo[/youtube:38eid5dj]
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Zatoichi

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Quote from: "Jutter"Not much into chess, but the other day I got one of this fellow's videos instead of the usual commercial. I thought it might suit this thread.
http://www.youtube.com/user/KebuChess

Writer posted a YouTube video
And I came across this older video, featuring mr. Karpov.
Writer posted a YouTube video
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I've seen that first guys videos... think I may have even subbed his channel. I'll have to check out his vids. Don't really play much anymore though...was never really all that good, too little patience, haha!
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Sal1981

Been playing chess since I was 6.

I won a game against H K Simonsen, drunk.

I don't know how many games I've played, or how often; I just play for fun. I don't read chess books, I hardly know the names of the many different openings. I'm not a part of a chess club, although invited on several occasions to join one. I guess I just don't like competitiveness that obscures the fun of playing chess.
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