Was Jesus kind of a poser?

[EvanGalea]

Okay, so I'm not really that knowledgeable aboot the bible, but didn't Jesus know he would come back to life after he was killed?

So then he didn't really lose anything and knew it. but yet people still act like he sacrificed everything for them. I get that he died a painful death and all, but it was more like a painful going to sleep and waking up later. It's not like he was the only person to get crucified.

So that's why I think Jesus was a poser.

[PickelledEggs]

I just want to clear something up: Jesus never existed.


That being said, the Jesus in the story, may or may not have been meant to be a poser, it could just be poor writing.

[Mike Cl]

Okay, so I'm not really that knowledgeable aboot the bible, but didn't Jesus know he would come back to life after he was killed?

So then he didn't really lose anything and knew it. but yet people still act like he sacrificed everything for them. I get that he died a painful death and all, but it was more like a painful going to sleep and waking up later. It's not like he was the only person to get crucified.

So that's why I think Jesus was a poser.

Yes, I see you point.  In fact, Jesus also knew that Judas would betray him--so Judas really had no choice.  And that Peter would reject him--and Peter really did not have a choice, either.  And he knew he would die and how he would die and when and where.  This was all a total setup by Jesus. 

But then Jesus never existed--not the Jesus of the bible.  Plenty of Jesus' existed, but none were any holier than you.  And the bibical jesus is made of myth and legend and fairy tale stuff.  Trying to figure out what jesus did and why is like trying to figure out what the tooth fairy does or how big the blue ox was.

And if you really want to nail down being and staying an atheist, read the bible and try to make reasonable sense out of it. 

[aitm]

IF indeed the boy lived, he did not get sacrificed, he got an upgrade. He went from smelly ass goat herder to a fucking god....that's one hell of a bargain.

The reality is, if you read the babble, you will see that, ignoring all the hyperbole, jesus was a disgruntled jew who as a prophet was rejected by the jews, so he decided to preach to the gentiles. This even surprised his apostles. The boy got lucky and stumbled upon ignorant and wishful people who scooped up his shit like it was tic tacs.

[Munch]

just wait till you see jesus in 40 years from here..

[stromboli]

The born of a virgin/sacrificed/rose from the dead is a recurring theme in myths that existed well before Jesus. The mythicist claim is that Jesus is nothing but a rehashing of old myths in a new form, created from Mithraism, a Persian religion that was adopted in Rome, primarily by its soldiers who visited Persia.

The book that Mike CL and I are reading by Richard Carrier- On The Historicity Of Jesus states the mythicist position. Here is a video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63BNKhGAVRQ

[stromboli]

[Desdinova]

"This is very uncool bro."

[Solitary]

http://earth-history.com/Egypt/Legends/gods-10summary5.htm


The Procreation of Horus, son of Isis.

THE text which contains this legend is found cut in hieroglyphics upon a stele which is now preserved in Paris. Attention was first called to it by Chabas, who in 1857 gave a translation of it in the Revue Archéologique, p. 65 ff., and pointed out the importance of its contents with his characteristic ability.

The hieroglyphic text was first published by Ledrain in his work on the monuments of the Bibliothèque Nationale in Paris, 1 and I gave a transcript of the text, with transliteration and translation, in 1895. 2

The greater part of the text consists of a hymn to Osiris, which was probably composed under the XVIIIth Dynasty, when an extraordinary development of the cult of that god took place, and when he was placed by Egyptian theologians at the head of all the gods.

Though unseen in the temples, his presence filled all Egypt, and his body formed the very substance of the country. He was the God of all gods and the Governor of the Two Companies of the gods, he formed the soul and body of Ra, he was the beneficent Spirit of all spirits, he was himself the celestial food on which the Doubles in the Other World lived. He was the greatest of the gods in On (Heliopolis), Memphis, Herakleopolis, Hermopolis, Abydos, and the region of the First Cataract, and so. He embodied in his own person the might of Ra-Tem, Apis and Ptah, the Horus-gods, Thoth and Khnemu, and his rule over Busiris and Abydos continued to be supreme, as it had been for many, many hundreds of years.

He was the source of the Nile, the north wind sprang from him, his seats were the stars of heaven which never set, and the imperishable stars were his ministers. All heaven was his dominion, and the doors of the sky opened before him of their own accord when he appeared. He inherited the earth from his father Keb, and the sovereignty of heaven from his mother Nut. In his person he united endless time in the past and endless time in the future.

Like Ra he had fought Seba, or Set, the monster of evil, and had defeated him, and his victory assured to him lasting authority over the gods and the dead. He exercised his creative power in making land and water, trees and herbs, cattle and other four-footed beasts, birds of all kinds, and fish and creeping things; even the waste spaces of the desert owed allegiance to him as the creator. And he rolled out the sky, and set the light above the darkness.

The last paragraph of the text contains an allusion to Isis, the sister and wife of Osiris, and mentions the legend of the birth of Horus, which even under the XVIIIth Dynasty was very ancient, Isis, we are told, was the constant protectress of her brother, she drove away the fiends that wanted to attack him, and kept them out of his shrine and tomb, and she guarded him from all accidents.

All these things she did by means of spells and incantations, large numbers of which were known to her, and by her power as the "witch-goddess." Her "mouth was trained to perfection, and she made no mistake in pronouncing her spells, and her tongue was skilled and halted not." At length came the unlucky day when Set succeeded in killing Osiris during the war which the "good god" was waging against him and his fiends. Details of the engagement are wanting, but the Pyramid Texts state that the body of Osiris was hurled to the ground by Set at a place called Netat, which seems to have been near Abydos. 3

The news of the death of Osiris was brought to Isis, and she at once set out to find his body. All legends agree in saying that she took the form of a bird, and that she flew about unceasingly, going hither and thither, and uttering wailing cries of grief. At length she found the body, and with a piercing cry she alighted on the ground.

The Pyramid Texts say that Nephthys was with her that "Isis came, Nephthys came, the one on the right side, the other on the left side, one in the form of a Hat bird, the other in the form of a Tchert bird, and they found Osiris thrown on the ground in Netat by his brother Set." The late form of the legend goes on to say that Isis fanned the body with her feathers, and produced air, and that at length she caused the inert members of Osiris to move, and drew from him his essence, wherefrom she produced her child Horus.

This bare statement of the dogma of the conception of Horus does not represent all that is known about it, and it may well be supplemented by a passage from the Pyramid Texts, 4 which reads, "Adoration to thee, O Osiris. 5 Rise thou up on thy left side, place thyself on thy right side. This water which I give unto thee is the water of youth (or rejuvenation). Adoration to thee, O Osiris! Rise thou up on thy left side, place thyself on thy right side.

This bread which I have made for thee is warmth. Adoration to thee, O Osiris! The doors of heaven are opened to thee, the doors of the streams are thrown wide open to thee. The gods in the city of Pe come [to thee], Osiris, at the sound (or voice) of the supplication of Isis and Nephthys. . . . . . . Thy elder sister took thy body in her arms, she chafed thy hands, she clasped thee to her breast [when] she found thee [lying] on thy side on the plain of Netat."

The Stele recording the casting out of a devil from the Princess of Bekhten.

And in another place we read: 6 "Thy two sisters, Isis and Nephthys, came to thee, Kam-urt, in thy name of Kam-ur, Uatchet-urt, in thy name of Uatch-ur" . . . . . . . "Isis and Nephthys weave magical protection for thee in the city of Saut, for thee their lord, in thy name of 'Lord of Saut,' for their god, in thy name of 'God.' They praise thee; go not thou far from them in thy name of 'Tua.' They present offerings to thee; be not wroth in thy name of 'Tchentru.' Thy sister Isis cometh to thee rejoicing in her love for thee. 7 Thou hast union with her, thy seed entereth her. She conceiveth in the form of the star Septet (Sothis). Horus-Sept issueth from thee in the form of Horus, dweller in the star Septet. Thou makest a spirit to be in him in his name 'Spirit dwelling in the god Tchentru.' He avengeth thee in his name of 'Horus, the son who avenged his father.' Hail, Osiris, Keb hath brought to thee Horus, he hath avenged thee, he hath brought to thee the hearts of the gods, Horus hath given thee his Eye, thou hast taken possession of the Urert Crown thereby at the head of the gods. Horus hath presented to thee thy members, he hath collected them completely, there is no disorder in thee.

Thoth hath seized thy enemy and hath slain him and those who were with him." The above words are addressed to dead kings in the Pyramid Texts, and what the gods were supposed to do for them was believed by the Egyptians to have been actually done for Osiris. These extracts are peculiarly valuable, for they prove that the legend of Osiris which was current under the XVIIIth Dynasty was based upon traditions which were universally accepted in Egypt under the Vth and VIth Dynasties.

The hymn concludes with a reference to the accession of Horus, son of Isis, the flesh and bone of Osiris, to the throne of his grandfather Keb, and to the welcome which he received from the Tchatcha, or Administrators of heaven, and the Company of the Gods, and the Lords of Truth, who assembled in the Great House of Heliopolis to acknowledge his sovereignty. His succession also received the approval of Neb-er-tcher, who, as we saw from the first legend in this book, was the Creator of the Universe.

[SGOS]

Didn't Jesus know he would come back to life after he was killed?

So then he didn't really lose anything and knew it. but yet people still act like he sacrificed everything for them.

Jesus had a really bad weekend for our sins.

[Munch]

Jesus had a really bad weekend for our sins.

I do wonder if Jesus is a shaman in world of warcraft. They can walk on water, they can self res from the dead, they can heal the sick, and they can summon earth elementals like in the Noah movie.

[PickelledEggs]

I do wonder if Jesus is a shaman in world of warcraft. They can walk on water, they can self res from the dead, they can heal the sick, and they can summon earth elementals like in the Noah movie.

I am so tempted to get back in to WoW again. It's been at least 4 years

Sent from your mom

[GrinningYMIR]

Wow isn't what it used to be sadly

[Green Bottle]

[the_antithesis]

So then he didn't really lose anything and knew it. but yet people still act like he sacrificed everything for them.

That's because people are fucking stupid.