Alan Henning killed by Islamic state killers

[Mike Cl]

That is not at all what I hear on the news.  It's just the opposite.  I hear that radical Muslims are just a few bad apples.  Everywhere I go, I hear Islam is a peaceful religion.  People seem to be shouting it.  Politicians and News outlets are very politically correct about it.  I don't listen to FOX News, ever.  Never have.  So maybe they say Muslims are coming to get you on FOX News.  But that's not what I hear the vast majority of American thought shaping information sources.  This forum is not so kindly to Islam.  It's one place where the shouting of Islam is Peace doesn't seem to be having an effect.

That is my experience as well.  All the news outlets that I listen to are all shouting that Islam is peace.  Yet bombing and killing in the name of allah continues with few muslims complaining about it.  If it were only the 1% that were extreme, then the other 99% could easily keep them in check.  But the extreme must not be that extreme is nobody is willing  or able to speak out about it.  I don't watch FAUX news much, but they echo the Islam is peace, from what I have seen.

[AllPurposeAtheist]

But then what are we going to do with all our weapons?

Hand them out to teachers and school children?

[AllPurposeAtheist]

You do realize that our media is engaged in non stop 24/7 propaganda, right? Western nations are incapable of telling the truth so we get nothing but mixed messages. What kind of message is Islam is a peaceful religion and at the same time Islam wants us all dead? Christianity is a peaceful religion and we have to kill all the Muslims before they kill us.. White is black, up is down, good is bad and on it goes.

[Mike Cl]

Hand them out to teachers and school children?

We've already done that.

[pr126]

It's good to be anti Islam.  Although not everybody agrees.


www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIaGWURONRU

[Hakurei Reimu]

Yes, yes, we understand that you don't like Islam, and that you like Pat Condell, and that â€"like himâ€" you tend to be long on invective, but short on actual, workable policy.

It gets tiresome after a while.

[Shiranu]

Socio-economics? What nonsense. Muslims don't even know what it means.

So, I have had to erase and start my response to this about 4 times now, just because that is one of the most idiotic things I have ever seen posted, and the worst part is it was from a serious poster. Like, I understand if KnoB, NotaryPublic, that Catholic Woman said something that stupid... but holy Jesus getting tit fucked on a stick, that was stupid.

This might come as some surprise to your omnipotent self but people can be influenced by the world around them without them having the slightest clue, without having ever been educated on what those factors are. Just because you don't know about something doesn't mean it ceases to exist.

I mean... I just don't even know how to respond to this. If you have that hard of time grasping such a concept that, "Just because I don't know about it doesn't mean it doesn't exist"... then man, it's going to be tough to get anything through to you.

There you go with all the other clueless willfully ignorant people, trying to tell the world that you all know Islam better than Muslims.

Funny, you seem to be doing exactly that when you take the voices of the most radical and say, "Alright, the other 1.59 billion of you? YOU GOT ISLAM WRONG, YOU AREN'T OUT THERE BEHEADING THE HEATHEN AND BLOWING YOURSELF UP!".

I would say it's the pot calling the kettle black, but that implies that the opposite party is doing as you say; since they are not, you are just an idiot. I seem to remember that being a common theme of your posts... say one thing, then judge everyone else for "doing" (at least you say they are) exactly what you just did.

That is not at all what I hear on the news. ...  Politicians and News outlets are very politically correct about it.  I don't listen to FOX News, ever.  Never have.  So maybe they say Muslims are coming to get you on FOX News.  But that's not what I hear the vast majority of American thought shaping information sources.

Orly?

Edit: I was going to post my response in this thread, but I will go ahead and make a new one as to not completely derail.

[Hydra009]

I've heard the Islam is a religion of peace thing exactly once, and it was widely ridiculed as a well-meaning but seriously inaccurate gaffe.  Since then, it's become this illusory position that right-wingers think liberals seriously advocate.  I've got news for you guys, it's not.

And yeah, the news is awash with militants and beheadings and protests.  If they're shouting that Islam is a peaceful religion, I definitely haven't noticed.  I do hear from people that extremists represent a minority of muslims, which is hard to argue against since the term implies as much and obviously, we're talking about militants groups in the thousands apiece out of over a billion people.  I also hear that the militants are not actually muslims, which is a true scotsman fallacy.

And yeah, the socio-economics thing is ridiculous.  If it were some tiny group, I could maybe let that slide, but muslims in general don't know socio-economics?!  That's one hell of a generalization!

[pr126]

@ Shiranu

I am sure that the 1.6 billion socio-economically disenfrachised, oppressed Muslims are grateful that you are championing for their cause.
May Allah be pleased with you.

As a sidenote:  poverty and lack of education in Muslim countries is necessary and deliberate.
How else can the mullahs and ayatollahs maintain power?

You may have heard or read about the Taleban, Boko Haram blowing up schools, killing teachers, student. Kidnapping girls, selling them as slaves.
All because the socio-economics of course. Islam has nothing to do with it.

[Hakurei Reimu]

@ Shiranu

I am sure that the 1.6 billion socio-economically disenfrachised, oppressed Muslims are grateful that you are championing for their cause.
May Allah be pleased with you.

I know this is somehow this is supposed to be a devastating blow to Shinaru's argument, but... actually, it isn't.

As a sidenote:  poverty and lack of education in Muslim countries is necessary and deliberate.
How else can the mullahs and ayatollahs maintain power?

Which implies that the mullahs and ayatollahs â€"motivated by completely selfish interests and in the interests of keeping their fellow Muslim downâ€" are at fault for the situation in the middle east, doesn't it, smartypants?

You may have heard or read about the Taleban, Boko Haram blowing up schools, killing teachers, student. Kidnapping girls, selling them as slaves.
All because the socio-economics of course. Islam has nothing to do with it.

You have self-admitted that the reason of the lack of education in the middle east is because of people in high places wanting all the power. That's socio-economics. Islam is being used as a tool to further it, but the bottom line is that it is socio-economics.

[Shiranu]

I know this is somehow this is supposed to be a devastating blow to Shinaru's argument, but... actually, it isn't.
Which implies that the mullahs and ayatollahs â€"motivated by completely selfish interests and in the interests of keeping their fellow Muslim downâ€" are at fault for the situation in the middle east, doesn't it, smartypants?
You have self-admitted that the reason of the lack of education in the middle east is because of people in high places wanting all the power. That's socio-economics. Islam is being used as a tool to further it, but the bottom line is that it is socio-economics.

Beat me to it, couldn't be assed into responding on my phone keyboard.

He literally described the situation as being political and then says it has nothing to with politics... I just don't even :\.

[pr126]

Sorry to spoil your dream that the vast majority of Muslims are peaceful. That is just wishful thinking.
The reality  is quite different.

[Shiranu]

Sorry to spoil your dream that the vast majority of Muslims are peaceful. That is just wishful thinking.
The reality  is quite different.

I'm glad English is like...your 20th language, otherwise it would be sad how you don't understand a thing anyone tells you and you continue to bash away at strawmen. It would be kinda sad if you actually knew English and must have your head so far up your ass as to not see anything anyone has said.

Protip; if you are going to hold it over others about how you are the master of Islamic knowledge and know everything about how the True Muslims must live... do please spend at least a little time learning about the real world. If you think the majority of Muslims are violent extremists, you really need to find your way back out of lala land.

[pr126]

moderate Muslims at work

[Shiranu]

moderate Muslims at work

And so the broken record spins on... snip...snip... snip... snip...

You want to play the, "Pull a random article from the internet, ergo all of group A is therefor evil?". Alright, we can play that game.

Extremist Muslims at work.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/dec/20/bradford-synagogue-saved-muslims-jews

Diplomats Necdet Kent, Namık Kemal Yolga, Selahattin Ülkümen and Behiç Erkin, who helped saved 35,000 Jews during WW2 by getting them to Turkiye and out of Nazi-controlled countries. Ülkümen, for his extremism, saved 42 Jewish families at the cost of his consulate being bombed, his pregnant wife being killed and spending the rest of the war in a concentration camp.

http://www.asianews.it/news-en/Faisalabad:-Muslim-activist-saves-a-Christian-from-blasphemy-charges-31191.html

by Shafique Khokhar
A Christian street sweeper was targeted by a mob charged with having burned pages with Koranic writing on them. In reality the pages were ripped up by two students . The mob ready to lynch the man . Intervention of a 26-year old Muslim, belonging to a network pro human rights, decisive. Christian activist: a "success" story, saving the life of an "innocent youth".

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/engy-abdelkader/top-ten-list_b_3701579.html

Nadeen Aljijakli, Cleveland, Ohio; Nadeen Aljijakli, 32, is an immigration attorney who runs her own practice in Ohio and New York. Woman in the Middle East spoke out, putting her and her 5 children's life at risk. She managed to get them over here safely and legally.

Hyder Gulam, Melbourne, Australia; Hyder Gulam, 38, is a nurse, first responder and relief worker.

Lila Igram, Austin, Texas (Woot woot, Austin!); Lila, 46, leads Connecther, a non-profit working to alleviate poverty among women and children around the world.

Faris Khan, London, England; Faris, 30, works for Save the Children, a humanitarian agency.

Dr. Sarah Kureshi, Washington, D.C.; With degrees from Harvard and the Mayo Clinic, Sarah, 34, presently works at Unity Health Care where she provides primary care to a multicultural, urban under-served population. She teaches courses on Global Health and Human Rights at Georgetown.

Huh, weird how they all tend to share in common certain things... education, solid socio-economic standings, exposure to cultural groups besides their own...

Nope, Islam must be THE ONLY factor in turning people to radicalism. Because that has been how all the radicals in the history of man were turned to extremism! Let's just completely ignore something that any cultural anthropologist, psychologist/sociologist, economist and political theorist, historian, philosopher who has studied the topic will say about how socio-economics is the biggest factor in so many things... that just doesn't fit your precious little agenda, so lets throw it out the window!

I guess it's also "black culture" that makes African Americans significantly more likely to be harassed by cops or not have an adequate education (since we want to ignore what any expert will tell you about it being far more down to opportunity than anything else). And surely Buddhism is the one true religion of violence, because if we want to just pull a small segment of the population and hold everyone responsible for their actions... well then, look at Myanmar, all Buddhists must therefor be rapists and murderers since they aren't going on the T.V. 24/7 to condemn their actions!

Or shit, Stalin was an atheist! He killed Christians in the name of "atheism" (if we want to ignore the fact that politics can have anything to do with a man's actions)! And Pol Pot!!!

If you want to prove your point, lets see some real numbers about how many Muslims are extremists, and why it is solely Islam to blame for it. I want to see these studies that show that Muslims are the single group in the world that socio-economics do not effect in the least bit, I will wait here with baited breath.

(sneaks off to go make some hummus and pita bread)