Romulus, Mithras And Jesus

[Poison Tree]

In response to the zombie invasion, the passage doesnt specify how they appeared to others, so i think its a stretch to call it a zombie invasion

In addition, the word for grave is sheoul, which is a different concept than being buried, so it would be more appropriate to picture this as the saints being released from sheoul and some how some people knew about it

The passage is way too vague to assume stuff, however it does say saints were released from the grave(sheoul)

Wrong and wrong. The passage (Greek, not Hebrew) says that "the graves [μνημεῖον] were opened; and many bodies [σῶμα] of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised". Really, 12 seconds with Strong's concordance (or simply knowing what language Matthew was written in) would have cleared up these errors on your part.

[Contemporary Protestant]

I was referring to the concept

[Poison Tree]

I was referring to the concept

Oh, so you think yourself an authority on what was in the mind of whomever wrote this passage at the time that he wrote it and have no need to look at the actual words he used? That is presumptuous of you.

[Contemporary Protestant]

It is in the context of a jewish society, so i dont think it is innapropriate to consider the possibility of jewish concepts being used here

If any jewish text written in any language is talking avout the grave, i would consider sheoul to be a possibility

I am considering the culture that the text was written in,  he used the word grave, yes it was in greek, but this is in judea

[Contemporary Protestant]

Another example would be that the greek word sabbaton refers to shabbat, so using the concept shabbat instead of sabbaton or sabbath is appropriate

Likewise i will talk about the grave with the possibility it is referring to sheoul

[Mike Cl]

As i mentioned earlier, it is only important to christians, any one else didnt care or didnt believe it, evidence being no one else recorded it

Second, the tombstone of pontius pilate has been found, indicating he was a real person
And the method of execution is accurate

To stress my first point, if u were caesar, and u heard about this, would u accept it or dismiss it as nonesense or a local legend

First point--if I noticed that several undead were wandering around my town, I could care less if they were christian, islamic or the VFW--I'd want to know where they hell they came from!  And,yeah, the news would be on top of it. 

Second point--Okay pilate was a real person.  Therefore, everything the bible says about him is true?????  We all know that George Washington is real.  So, according to your logic everything written about his has to be true.  I was taught that he cut down a cherry tree and that he did not lie about it when he was asked about it.  As it turns out that is not true--a minister (not surprising--Weams was his name I think) wanted to create a lesson on teach good character, so he invented this story as an illustration of  good character.  (of course it is natural for a christian minister to lie about something to illustrate good character--the ends always justifies the means from them) Just because the bible has real people and places mentioned in it does not validate all that is said in the book.

Third--if I were ceaser and heard about dead people walking about, I would  damn well want to know about it.

It is always amazing, and amusing, how twisted christians get in trying to tell us what scripture means.

[Contemporary Protestant]

I mention pilate, because of the statement that there is no evidence, when in fact there is some evidence

If you read the previous post i made, i propose that the dead rising from the grave may refer to the underworld and not the grave

In addition the zombie passage is too vague to assume anything, yes the dead rised, yes people knew about it
But without proof, i doubt the romans would do anything, considering theyre empire, and an urban legend in a single city would be small talk



To answer your post in short,  without evidence people wont do anything about something., the passage in question is vauge and i am not removing the possibility of a spiritual ressurrection which would leave little evidence

To clarify, i believe jesus literally rose from the dead but i am unsure about the others

[Poison Tree]

I guess this is a difference between me and you. When I want to know the word for grave (let us not forget, that is what you said) I look at the word actually used for grave (a novel concept, apparently). If you want to shift the goal posts to what the writer must have intended the underlying concept to be, fine, but get ready for some heavy lifting.
First off, if the author wanted to describe a spiritual resurrection from the underworld then there would have been more appropriate (Greek) words at his disposal than "σῶμα" and "μνημεῖον". If he wanted to describe a bodily resurrection from the grave there would not have been any more better words to use.
You say that we should ignore the actual Greek used and insert a Hebrew concept because that was clearly what he intended. I say that the author's apparent inability (or unwillingness) to read Hebrew--evidenced in his reliance on the Greek mistranslation of Isaiah for his "virgin prophecy--his inability to understand Hebrew parallelism--seen in his Triumphal entry story--and his general treatment of the OT prophets are strong evidence against imposing Hebrew/Jewish ideas in place of what is actually written as he does not show any willingness to adhere to them himself.

[Contemporary Protestant]

You make a good point, i will look into this

[Lachish]

I always thought the priests of Mithras were attempting to emulate Christianity because they were fearful of being cast aside by the ruling elite of Rome, which ended up happening.

[Minimalist]

Second, the tombstone of pontius pilate has been found, indicating he was a real person

Really?  And where pray tell is it?  Or is it another of Ron Wyatt's finds which subsequently got lost?

[DunkleSeele]

As i mentioned earlier, it is only important to christians, any one else didnt care or didnt believe it, evidence being no one else recorded it

Romans were almost maniacal when it came to keep records. No Roman record about Jayzus' trial, crucifixion, death, whatever is available. Meanwhile, we have records from the same age and area detailing how many loaves of bread were stored in their warehouse.
No contemporary historian living in the area has written a single word about the big crowds gathered by Jeebus (who, according to the gospels, had more or less the popularity of a modern rockstar), nor about the hours of complete darkness which allegedely happened at Jayzus' death.

Second, the tombstone of pontius pilate has been found, indicating he was a real person
And the method of execution is accurate

The Pilate Stone is NOT Pilate's tombstone! It's only a partially readable dedication from the alleged Pilate to the emperor Tiberius. At most, it tells us that Pilate was a real person and prefect of Judea. No evidence for the historicity of Jeebus boy.

To stress my first point, if u were caesar, and u heard about this, would u accept it or dismiss it as nonesense or a local legend

If I were Caesar and heard about a man gathering crowds of followers I would damn make sure to know if it's just a local legend or if there's some truth behind it.

[Green Bottle]

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''To answer your post in short,  without evidence people wont do anything about something., the passage in question is vauge and i am not removing the possibility of a spiritual ressurrection which would leave little evidence

To clarify, i believe jesus literally rose from the dead but i am unsure about the others.

To Clarify, this is the Daftest Statement iv'e seen you make since iv'e been here.

[Minimalist]

The Pilate Stone is NOT Pilate's tombstone! It's only a partially readable dedication from the alleged Pilate to the emperor Tiberius. At most, it tells us that Pilate was a real person and prefect of Judea. No evidence for the historicity of Jeebus boy.

Correct - although Pilate's historicity was not in question.  Both Josephus and Philo wrote of him.

[stromboli]

There is and always will be endless speculation about the entirety of the story, but the mere fact that everything in the New Testament, especially that relating to the resurrection and the Book of Acts (which many historians think is a fake, including Richard Carrier) is both post-dated and not verifiable as Jewish sources. Carrier notes that the first writings were dated to about 63 ACE; a bit past anything that could be called concurrent.

http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/epistles1.htm

Many scholars attempt "chronologies" of the life of Paul, yet Acts of the Apostles is a naive fantasy and the Pauline letters of themselves provide few clues in time or place.  Bringing Paul's epistles seamlessly into the story of the church proves to be an impossible task, for collectively the letters offer no continuous narrative and no one has any real idea of the sequence of their composition. Hence the enduring "uncertainty" in the origin of the letters and their stark incompatibility with the "authorised" early history of the faith.

Pious reflection and wishful thinking assemble the epistles into the "life" of the apostle, delicately extracting a few perceived "facts" from the embarrassing mythology of Acts, as pegs on which to hang the garments. Yet the epistles are themselves full of hyperbole, the inane and the wondrous. Paul, no less than Peter, struts across a stage that exists only in the dreams of those who would speak in his name and rule with his authority. Myth is not truth.

I'd quote from Carrier, but he trashed Acts for about 150 pages, so a single quote will take some looking.