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Post your funny pictures here!!! part Deux

Started by Nam, July 26, 2014, 08:19:18 PM

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Blackleaf

Quote from: Hydra009 on June 30, 2025, 04:05:22 PM

A lot of stuff would get sorted real quick.  And overall, less people would die than normal.

I think about this more often than I probably should. I have a short list of people I would absolutely write off in the Death Note, if I could. IMO, Light's mistake was using it on ordinary people, making himself a boogieman to dissuade crime. But how did he know they were guilty? He couldn't have. This is why we have courts, to weigh evidence and make these decisions. Light definitely killed a lot of innocent people in his career as god of death. He also killed people whose only crime was being an inconvenience to him. In his eyes, the innocent lives he claimed were justified by his vision of a better world.

If I had a Death Note, I would only use it on major figures. People whose deaths would undoubtedly make the world a better place. It would serve as a warning to people in government that they are to serve their constituents and to act with integrity, or else.
"Oh, wearisome condition of humanity,
Born under one law, to another bound;
Vainly begot, and yet forbidden vanity,
Created sick, commanded to be sound."
--Fulke Greville--

Hydra009

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Quote from: Blackleaf on July 01, 2025, 01:15:15 AMI think about this more often than I probably should. I have a short list of people I would absolutely write off in the Death Note, if I could. IMO, Light's mistake was using it on ordinary people, making himself a boogieman to dissuade crime.
Iirc, his minor error was using it on people who were found guilty of lesser crimes.  Then there's the major error of using it on people investigating Kira, especially Lind L. Tailor, the guy who posed as the famed detective L in the beginning.  As soon as he started killing investigators, it was game over.

QuoteBut how did he know they were guilty? He couldn't have. This is why we have courts, to weigh evidence and make these decisions.
Yep, there's a reason we do things that way.  Kira's role should obviously be to go after evil people the courts can't touch and people whose crimes are in progress who might harm others before being apprehended, like that hostage-taker.

QuoteLight definitely killed a lot of innocent people in his career as god of death.  He also killed people whose only crime was being an inconvenience to him. In his eyes, the innocent lives he claimed were justified by his vision of a better world.
Yep, the classic slippery slope combined with a common criticism of consequentialist ethics.  Obviously, there's a problem with just doing evil things and telling yourself it'll all work out in the end.  You have to take reasonable and properly calculated moves at all times, not gamble yourself into a hole and then count on a big payout to put you back in the black.  You have to take out people whose deaths will meaningfully improve the world purely within their own context, not as part of some grand scheme (so no targeting innocents or investigators)

Though I do note in that these criticisms of consequentialist ethics, all the attention is put on those killed, not a whole lot of attention is paid to people whose lives are saved, even if the character is taking increasingly morally dubious steps to get there.  In the show, Kira has a LOT of people who have benefited from him, most of them unknowingly, like through the year-on-year reduction in crime.  Yes, he killed thousands and quite a few innocents, but if he had thrown the Death Note in the garbage when he first found it, many times that would have died and almost all of them innocents.  But that would be "normal" and "natural" and presumably more acceptable than the unusual and unnatural deaths Kira inflicts.  I gotta say, I don't see the logic in preferring an objectively worse world.

I remember in Endgame, when Rhodney suggested killing baby Hitler, it was played for laughs, but obviously, killing Hitler as an adult would be totally fine.  So apparently, there's some sort of age cut-off where it goes from being not okay to okay, which is especially odd when you know for a fact how it's going to play out.  Granted, it probably wouldn't change much - WWII would still happen.  But stopping massive harm in its earliest stages shouldn't be treated with such pearl-clutching, imho.

QuoteIf I had a Death Note, I would only use it on major figures. People whose deaths would undoubtedly make the world a better place. It would serve as a warning to people in government that they are to serve their constituents and to act with integrity, or else.
Same.  Unambiguously evil targets like dictators and terrorists and murderers, with a high priority for those imminently about to harm others or causing harm secretly or somehow evading justice.

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Gawdzilla Sama

We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
PZ Myers

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drunkenshoe

"his philosophy was a mixture of three famous schools -the cynics, the stoics and the epicureans-and summed up all three of them in his famous phrase, 'you can't trust any bugger further than you can throw him, and there's nothing you can do about it, so let's have a drink.'" terry pratchett

Gawdzilla Sama

"I know what you saw, for it is in MY MIND too!"
We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
PZ Myers

drunkenshoe

"his philosophy was a mixture of three famous schools -the cynics, the stoics and the epicureans-and summed up all three of them in his famous phrase, 'you can't trust any bugger further than you can throw him, and there's nothing you can do about it, so let's have a drink.'" terry pratchett

drunkenshoe

"his philosophy was a mixture of three famous schools -the cynics, the stoics and the epicureans-and summed up all three of them in his famous phrase, 'you can't trust any bugger further than you can throw him, and there's nothing you can do about it, so let's have a drink.'" terry pratchett

drunkenshoe

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"his philosophy was a mixture of three famous schools -the cynics, the stoics and the epicureans-and summed up all three of them in his famous phrase, 'you can't trust any bugger further than you can throw him, and there's nothing you can do about it, so let's have a drink.'" terry pratchett

drunkenshoe

"his philosophy was a mixture of three famous schools -the cynics, the stoics and the epicureans-and summed up all three of them in his famous phrase, 'you can't trust any bugger further than you can throw him, and there's nothing you can do about it, so let's have a drink.'" terry pratchett

drunkenshoe

"his philosophy was a mixture of three famous schools -the cynics, the stoics and the epicureans-and summed up all three of them in his famous phrase, 'you can't trust any bugger further than you can throw him, and there's nothing you can do about it, so let's have a drink.'" terry pratchett

drunkenshoe

"his philosophy was a mixture of three famous schools -the cynics, the stoics and the epicureans-and summed up all three of them in his famous phrase, 'you can't trust any bugger further than you can throw him, and there's nothing you can do about it, so let's have a drink.'" terry pratchett