Started by Nam, July 24, 2014, 01:11:20 AM
Quote from: Nam on August 03, 2014, 06:50:54 PMIrrelevant.-Mam
Quote from: Nam on August 03, 2014, 06:26:16 PMMorals are based on what is right and what is wrong ethically. Is it ethical to kill someone because they killed someone?Both deaths are attributed to the want of one (or many) to terminate another's life based on illogical reasoning."He slighted me therefore he should die.""He slighted society therefore he should die."How is the same thing ethical and unethical simultaneously?-Nam
Quote from: aitm on August 03, 2014, 08:15:05 PMFirstly, I would argue that society does not want to kill anyone, thankfully. Society did not start out saying, " if you kill someone, we will collectively kill you". I believe society started out saying, "you killed someone, why? For what reason? You killed for the simple act of killing, we do not want your type around and cannot trust you not to kill again so we as a collective, must rid you." And society has every right and in my opinion the implied demand to act to protect the society.It is not wrong to kill the killer, but it is irresponsible to society and to each individual to appease a temporary moral to allow the very possible chance of that person killing again. And perhaps that, over time, is indeed the lesson learned. If you can guarantee safety but refuse, then why would an individual wish to be part of a society not willing to work to protect the collective?
Quote from: Nam on August 03, 2014, 10:46:29 PMSo "getting rid of" now equates to "killing you" only? I can take exactly what you said and throw it right back at you and that proves my point, I believe.I understand your point but let's not say, "killing is wrong*" <--- and have the asterisk. Because then, anything can be attributed to the asterisk.-Nam
Quote from: Aupmanyav on August 04, 2014, 12:38:32 PMKilling is not wrong at many times. What does one do when his/her country is invaded by another? Should we disband our armed forces even if such a danger exists?
Quote from: The Skeletal Atheist on August 04, 2014, 08:36:31 PMKilling is wrong, until it isn't. If I need to defend myself or someone I care about, I will use whatever force necessary including lethal force.
Quote from: Mermaid on August 04, 2014, 08:53:12 PMYou bring up an interesting point here. You remind me of the time when I was ambushed and assaulted by a stranger who grabbed me while I was walking in a dark and secluded place. I was 15, and I remember very clearly knowing that given the chance, I would have killed my attacker without hesitation, because he was threatening my life. I am very glad I did not because it would have fucked me up in the head, but if I am ever in that situation again, I am pretty sure my feelings would be the same. Nobody has the right to kill anyone for any reason, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't if I had to. Morally wrong? Yeah. I think it's morally wrong, but I'd still do it. This is such a complicated question.
Quote from: The Skeletal Atheist on August 04, 2014, 08:36:31 PMKilling is wrong, until it isn't. If I need to defend myself or someone I care about, I will use whatever force necessary including lethal force. That being said if the death penalty was only used on guilty people 100% of the time I would probably support it more.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on August 04, 2014, 09:18:04 PMThat is the basis for my claim that I could convert ANY pacifist to violence given a free hand. I had to get my troops into a killer mindset or we would have all still been there. It's not always easy but I never failed.
Quote from: Nam on August 05, 2014, 02:49:41 AMDoes an armed force have to kill to secure their country?-Nam
Quote from: Nam on August 05, 2014, 02:55:26 AMThat says it all, "Killing is wrong until I say it isn't."-Nam
Quote from: Mermaid on August 05, 2014, 07:59:47 AMI strongly feel the answer to this is no.