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[stromboli]

You seem to know.
Which part of my post needs the citation?

Figure it out, dumbass.

[Lion IRC]

Yes. You're in our house, and we will tolerate you so long as you do not wear out your welcome. I would have thought this would be simple common sense, but apparently some folks need it spelled out to them.

I think you need to learn how to get along with people who dont share your worldview. I think you should be more tolerant of diversity.

The forum banner says "a community website for freethinkers, atheists, agnostics and believers."

[stromboli]

Religion is the opposite of diversity. If you proclaim a worldview based on belief in an imaginary deity with a set of dogmatic views that preclude aspects of human behavior like homosexuality, overall human sexual behavior, the right to choose the path your life takes and is not based on  religious guilt/fear/judgment and punishment, newsflash. That is not diversity. That is a very singular and narrow viewpoint.

Myself and others here were religious. But we exercised our critical thinking skills and exited the narrowminded lifestyle of religion. We understand what diversity is because we embrace it.

And we also understand that people like yourself that come on the forum do so from an attitude of arrogance and superiority, because we've been there.

[Lion IRC]

...people like yourself that come on the forum do so from an attitude of arrogance and superiority, because we've been there.

No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.

[stromboli]

No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.

Exactly right. As a believer you are failed, sinful, subservient, inadequate and unworthy and in need of an imaginary deity's  sacrifice of himself to himself to make you whole. And you agreed to that.

[Lion IRC]

Exactly right. As a believer you are failed, sinful, subservient, inadequate and unworthy and in need of an imaginary deity's  sacrifice of himself to himself to make you whole. And you agreed to that.

If thats your version of what a saved Christian under Grace is supposed to think, I can understand why you reject Christianity.
I encounter lots of deconverted atheists who claim they know the bible better than me and who attack the unique type of Christianity represented by their former self.
They are actually attacking the person THEY used to be. Attacking themselves and the (distorted/misunderstood) version of biblical Christianity they once held.

Your version of me - Failed, sinful, subservient, inadequate, unloved, unworthy.

My version of me - Unafraid, unashamed, forgiven, made whole by the Amazing Grace of God who loves the world so much that He sent His only Son.... 

[Sargon The Grape]

I think you need to learn how to get along with people who dont share your worldview. I think you should be more tolerant of diversity.

Don't talk to me about tolerating diversity, you ignorant fuck. Atheists are the most disproportionately distrusted group in the world, and for no good reason at that. When theists can talk to atheists without talking down to us, we can talk about "tolerance." Until then, keep that mouth zipped tight.

The forum banner says "a community website for freethinkers, atheists, agnostics and believers."

The banner also used to say, "Tits, or gtfo." The banner doesn't carry much sway here; and neither does your prattling.

[claytojar]

You are not the first theist on here by any streetch.

Was this meant to be a surprise, I may not be the smartest apple in the tree but, I'm not dumb or stupid as you seem to believe.

And not the first to mold his belief system around personal beliefs, such as the uni is 50,000 years old, so there.

What personal beliefs, you need to be specific. As far as the 50,000 years go that's science, no dating system is reliable after 50,000 years.

Hogwash.

Never washed one, never seen one either.

all your pomposities aside, you are still an arrogant dick who finds a reason to look down your nose at nonbelievers despite the fact that you can't ultimately prove anything. By all means do have fun while you are away.

All my what? As for being arrogant you'll need to show me where I did such a thing and I do not need to prove anything to you and I'm not sure why you think I do. Did I try to prove something, all I remember doing is being a good nooby and introducing myself and answer questions that are asked of me. Not sure how that gets your dandruff up.

[Sargon The Grape]

I do not need to prove anything to you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COSeM2EVkDc

[PickelledEggs]

The forum banner says "a community website for freethinkers, atheists, agnostics and believers."

So?

Believers can be in here if they want, but the majority of members in here are logical, critically thinking people. When people that are brainwashed enough to think feeling something strongly or something written in the [insert holy book here] is evidence, we tend to get annoyed. When they persist with nonsense, it's not contributing to anything and only causing frustration for everyone. I don't care who you are, believer or nonbeliever, if you are going to piss off the entire forum, you will most likely get banned.


We've had a few theists that lasted really long and I think there are some people on here that are theists. They stay because they contribute and don't piss off everyone.

[claytojar]

Faith is not evidence.  Faith is belief without evidence.  That's why they invented the word "faith".  They needed a word that described believing in something without evidence.

What they exactly are you speaking of, please show who originated the word faith. Yes faith is evidence, like I said faith is the evidence of things unseen, but maybe one needs some to understand what faith is.

 

Theists make a big deal about their faith.  They say, "I believe this and that, even though I have no evidence.  I have faith instead."

Yes we do, it's the beginning of the knowledge of God. Actually everyone on this planet has faith in something, maybe not God or even other gods but everyone has faith in something.

Wrong again.  You don't need faith to believe something.  You already believe it.  Faith is just a bullshit word people use to pretend their belief is special.

What do you mean wrong again, you've not shown where I was wrong the first time. As for not needing faith, when you get into your car do you know you will arrive at your destination safely, or is it having faith that you will, you can never know for sure. So is your faith bull so you can arrive safely to a destination.

 

Believing is not knowledge.  It doesn't lead to knowledge.  You are confusing the two terms.
No you don't.  "Believe" is the word you should be using.  For your purposes, you are confusing knowledge and bullshit.

I'm pretty sure I'm not the one confused here. Do not scientist believe in something before they gain the knowledge of the previously unknown. When on is searching for something belief always comes first.
Yes I do know for a fact there's a God, if that troubles you it certainly not my fault, I had faith which lead to belief of the unseen and came to knowledge of the Unseen God.

[claytojar]

Then you need to understand the basic tenet of science. Nothing is "proven", just as a court case is not proven. The lemon in my hand appears to be yellow, but there is no PROOF that it's yellow. There is overwhelming evidence that it is, however. The genes that make up our physical bodies are infinitely complicated, and there are animals that are very closely related to us based on that incredibly complicated genetic construction. There is no proof, but overwhelming evidence that we have a common ancestor using logic and evidence.

I imagine you think the theory of evolution is, well, just a theory?

There is proof it's in your hand, just squeeze.

[Sargon The Grape]

...you know what, I'm too burned out to deal with this troll. And that IRCwhataver guy. You guys can have 'em. I'm turning on the block feature.

[frosty]

Citation please (sound familiar?).


Which part did you need the citation for?
The bit about robots not having emotion?

Nope, the part about you having a "soul". I require some type of citation for that. Evidence is welcome. If you meant "soul" in the traditional sense, yes, I need some type of proof. If you meant "soul" in the sense that you have emotions, feelings and thoughts, then I guess that could be construed as accurate considering "soul" has different definitions and what I just said was one of them. But I suspect that's not what you meant.

Also, just as we humans think in a certain information span, so do robots/computers/programs. It is almost elementary in programming. AI "thinks", just in a certain span of what it is capable of doing. Think of the thought capability of AI and humans as a straight line, with limits at each end. The way humans and AI both run across and bounce around on this line is awfully similar.

Does that mean in turn humans are the same as robots? No, since we're organic, and of course the issue of 'free will' is mixed in there as well. But it is thought provoking anyways to think about the subject. Both entities are in a sense fed certain information, it's processed, and then from there a response is derived.

[claytojar]

Welcome aboard claytojar! Shouldn't that be from clay to earth?

First of all, thanks. Seems you do not know much about Genesis and other books of the Bible. God molded the first people from clay (earth), and He says He molds believers like a potter molds a vessel from clay. So for me anyways it's in the right order.

Faith is belief without evidence by definition.

Is there really any difference in what you said and what I say, "faith is evidence of the unseen." Wouldn't you say faith is a way of accepting the unseen or unknown because one can reason the possibility.

A belief in God requires faith, therefore it has no evidence to support it.

Faith is the requirement to come to belief in God and this is true because one reasons the possibility.

Is there anything else you believe in without evidence?

I was told earlier that there's no proof that a lemon is yellow but, I do believe it's yellow because there's no proof to the contrary. Same with God, I believed God to be real because there's no proof to the contrary and, no I do not believe in all things unseen because there is no proof to the contrary. I do not believe in them because they are contrary to God.

We really don't give a rats ass what your delusional beliefs are without evidence that is reliable. 

I do not worry myself with such things, if you care or not doesn't change the reality of what I know, it's as simple as that.