Started by AllPurposeAtheist, June 12, 2014, 01:55:53 PM
Quote from: Hakurei Reimu on June 22, 2014, 07:51:37 PMI think we lost those wars because everyone knew they were farces. Restricted wars, not total war. WWII was the last total war.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on June 23, 2014, 11:57:47 AMThe only time you can say an empire has collapsed is when it actually has.
Quote from: stromboli on June 23, 2014, 12:30:04 PMTrue enough. I don't see the US collapsing in the sense of the Roman Empire. There's nobody out there with the wherewithal to invade. But economically, with the level of greed shown by the oligarchy, there will be a greater separation of rich and poor and the loss of what we really need, a progressive mindset to deal with our problems and move us forward.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on June 23, 2014, 12:33:51 PMElysium option. But, of course, that just puts the US more in line with the rest of the planet.
Quote from: SGOS on June 23, 2014, 11:10:02 AMIt's hard to win a war when you restrict your options. However, in terms of what we are talking about here, I would suggest that the purpose of recent wars has not been to win. It's more to stuff the pockets of favored sectors of our population. Winning would end the chaos too soon. There would be too much money not spent that could further enrich the favored.
Quote from: stromboli on June 23, 2014, 01:09:58 PMI seriously hope that movie is not prophetic.
Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on June 23, 2014, 02:13:47 PMDefine winning. When we end up with 100s and 1000s of people killed and maimed and returning with their lives ruined it hardly counts as a 'win'. There is no winning.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on June 23, 2014, 03:12:00 PMThe Civil War had the highest casualty rate.
Quote from: Mandingo on June 23, 2014, 03:46:03 PMIn WWII the USSR suffered 40 times as many casualties as the US did. 20 million lives lost. Most Americans ignore that completely.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on June 23, 2014, 03:47:01 PMYep, most. Most Americans believe in God.
Quote from: frosty on June 23, 2014, 03:33:53 AMI get your point, but I wonder if the family members of those killed, maimed, detained, tortured or displaced as a result of said wars would agree on the 'restricted' part. I don't think they would.
Quote from: Mandingo on June 23, 2014, 07:29:56 PMThat tells you how much common sense they have...