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[Casparov]

http://youtu.be/BKTgGxEHVUo

[Solitary]

Casparov, like theist do, you make quotes and leave out what else is quoted to support your arguments. This is being intellectually dishonest.

Religious views of Albert Einstein

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Although he did not believe in a personal God, he indicated that he would never seek to combat such belief because "such a belief seems to me preferable to the lack of any transcendental outlook.

Spinoza is the greatest of modern philosophers, because he is the first philosopher who deals with the soul and the body as one, not as two separate things.

From the viewpoint of a Jesuit priest I am, of course, and have always been an atheist. ... It is always misleading to use anthropomorphical concepts in dealing with things outside the human sphereâ€"childish analogies. We have to admire in humility the beautiful harmony of the structure of this worldâ€"as far as we can grasp it, and that is all."

You have a quote from Einstein at the bottom of your posts:“The Fanatical Atheists are like slaves who are still feeling the weight of their chains which they have thrown off after hard struggle. They are creatures whoâ€"in their grudge against traditional religion as the "opium of the masses"â€"cannot hear the music of other spheres.” - Albert Einstein .

But you leave out the top quote that goes with it. And he made the bottom quote that from the view point of a Jesuit priest he is an atheist. Those are fallacies by omission.  Solitary

[Casparov]

But you leave out the top quote that goes with it. And he made the bottom quote that from the view point of a Jesuit priest he is an atheist. Those are fallacies by omission.  Solitary

From the viewpoint of a Jesuit Priest I am an Atheist too Solitary! I am not a Christian, I do not believe the Bible is true, I do not believe that yahweh exists. I believe these are childish superstitions just like Einstein did. I agree that organized religion is childish! Religious people consider me an Atheist! My own grandparents and my entire family think of me as an Atheist I assure you! Even in full context with no omissions, nothing is subtracted from the point Einstein was making about Atheism.

I agree with Einstein that Atheism is "due to a painful act of liberation from the fetters of religious indoctrination received in youth." I think he was dead on when he said Atheists are truly creatures who, "in their grudge against traditional religion as the 'opium of the masses' - cannot hear the music of other spheres."

The opium of the Atheists is there grudge against religion! It is the drug of intellectual superiority over others that Atheism delivers straight to the veins of the ego. It is addictive! It must feel so good to be able to show how stupid creationists are. It must feel so good to feel smarter and more liberated than the great majority of humans(the religious). It is that pure hit of intellectual ecstasy straight to the ego that keeps you coming back. It is community based on rampant tyrannical intellectual superiority.

But in truth, you are no more intelligent or less fearful or more free than any of those sad creationists trapped in there tiny self constructed box of acceptable beliefs and assumptions and preconceptions. You've just traded one box for another and you steal the accomplishments of science and use them as weapons to intellectually assault your indoctrinators and the slave owners from whom you feel you have broken free. This sense of liberation from enslavement and intellectual superiority is your own opium that blinds you from your own harbored absurdities and dogmatisms which you cling to just as religiously as any sad fearful creationist. You are still a slave only to a new master: Materialism. You still dogmatically cling to an unprovable belief: Materialism. You still have a world view that lacks any empirical evidence: Materialism. You are still ignorant, and you are still fearful, and you are still trapped in a self created box you feel comfortable in. You don't even respect science, you abuse it only when it suites you to, and you abandon it the second it no longer serves your agenda and reinforces your beliefs.

Einstein's accurate statements about Fanatical and Professional Atheists are not diminished by the fact that he and people like me are both considered Atheists by Religious peoples. Whether Einstein was an Agnostic or Pantheist, his statements about Fanatical and Professional Atheism remain very clear, and I agree whole heartedly with his sentiments.

[Solitary]

Read this until you understand what he actually meant:

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"such a belief seems to me preferable to the lack of any transcendental outlook. What do you think he means by transcendental outlook? He meant in the sense of being philosophical---in other words: beyond the contingent and accidental in human experience , but not beyond all human knowledge. Is that what you believe? God is beyond any human knowledge, but so is a unicorn, or the tooth fairy. Subjective reality is something that goes away, but objective reality doesn't, and that is where knowledge comes from and can be tested. Solitary

[Casparov]

Read this until you understand what he actually meant:

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"such a belief seems to me preferable to the lack of any transcendental outlook. What do you think he means by transcendental outlook? He meant in the sense of being philosophical---in other words: beyond the contingent and accidental in human experience , but not beyond all human knowledge. Is that what you believe? God is beyond any human knowledge, but so is a unicorn, or the tooth fairy. Subjective reality is something that goes away, but objective reality doesn't, and that is where knowledge comes from and can be tested. Solitary

The question of God is less important than being open minded and skeptical enough to arrive at the most accurate description of reality possible and behave accordingly.

That you exist is what never changes, the entire "objective" world goes away every night when you fall asleep. Whether you are in a dream, in a virtual reality, in an objective material reality, in the matrix, or having an extremely vivid DMT trip, what never changes is that you exist. You are the constant which does not vary. You are the only thing which never goes away, everything else is temporary, it is all just "the passing show," even "objective" reality goes away, but you will not.

You have identified with what is exterior and fleeting, calling the unreal and temporary the real and never leaving, and you have ignored what is permanently doing the seeing, calling the unchanging and real the unreal and vanishing. You are suffering from a complete reversal of the subject/object relationship.

[Sargon The Grape]

Have I missed anything important?

*sees Casperov's word salad*

I'll take that as a no. Carry on.

[the_antithesis]

The question of God is less important than being open minded and skeptical enough to arrive at the most accurate description of reality possible and behave accordingly.

That you exist is what never changes, the entire "objective" world goes away every night when you fall asleep. Whether you are in a dream, in a virtual reality, in an objective material reality, in the matrix, or having an extremely vivid DMT trip, what never changes is that you exist. You are the constant which does not vary. You are the only thing which never goes away, everything else is temporary, it is all just "the passing show," even "objective" reality goes away, but you will not.

You have identified with what is exterior and fleeting, calling the unreal and temporary the real and never leaving, and you have ignored what is permanently doing the seeing, calling the unchanging and real the unreal and vanishing. You are suffering from a complete reversal of the subject/object relationship.

You have a very self-centered world view.

[Casparov]

You have a very self-centered world view.

"Arming himself with discipline, seeing everything with an equal eye, he sees the self in all creatures and all creatures in the self." -The Bhagavad Gita Chapter VI 6:29