Atheists, you're doomed - Meet Mr. Nice Guy

[stromboli]

MMMmmmm no. Grace. that whole suffering on the cross after taking on man'/s sins/sinful nature thingy. You know, Garden of Gethsemane, sweat blood, etc. The incredibly clever way god fixed that whole "kicked out of G. of E, for eating the easy to reach and tasteful fruit" thingy. A condition which he created and/or allowed to happen. And then kicked out of the garden, suffered for thousands of years, yada yada Grace.

Oh and then of course you can rape steal kill torture cheat on the spouse use/sell drugs mass murder infanticide genocide yada yada last second GRACE! Saved.

[Mandingo]

MMMmmmm no. Grace. that whole suffering on the cross after taking on man'/s sins/sinful nature thingy. You know, Garden of Gethsemane, sweat blood, etc. The incredibly clever way god fixed that whole "kicked out of G. of E, for eating the easy to reach and tasteful fruit" thingy. A condition which he created and/or allowed to happen. And then kicked out of the garden, suffered for thousands of years, yada yada Grace.

Oh and then of course you can rape steal kill torture cheat on the spouse use/sell drugs mass murder infanticide genocide yada yada last second GRACE! Saved.

If you take away all the religious mumbo-jumbo from that, what remains is a criminal multi-national organisation of fraudsters, trillionaire thieves, and pedophiles.
Why isn't a criminal organisation hauled into penal court?

[Jason78]

Probably for the same reason that they don't just round up the Mafia.   

They're too big to jail.

[Mandingo]

Probably for the same reason that they don't just round up the Mafia.   

They're too big to jail.

No they're not: I bet that all the cardinals and bishops â€" the RC capos â€" will fit on the island of St. Helena.
Just.

[ApostateLois]

This isn't what's taught.  If you genuinely accept Christ into your life, then you won't want to sin.  If you continue living sinfully and don't really care about what god wants, then it would be obvious to an all knowing god that your conversion wasn't genuine, and you wouldn't be saved from hell.

That's a very summed up version of it.  I left some holes in my explanation that you could raise objections to, but I don't feel like typing out a small essay on theology. 

I assume you are not an ex-Christian, you've been an atheist your whole life?

Nope, ex-Christian, and the teaching that Jesus forgives ALL sins really does exist. Sure, they claim that you don't want to sin, but we all know this to be a lie. Christians sin as much as anyone else--perhaps moreso, judging by how most of the American prison population consists of Christians. How else could child rape exist in churches of every denomination if Christians didn't want to sin? They smoke, they get drunk, they eat too much, they swear and beat their wives and kids and abuse animals, they look at Internet porn and hang out in titty bars. You can't tell me any of these people are attempting to not sin. Don't they have the Holy Spirit? Isn't the Holy Spook supposed to help them? Then why isn't it working? Either this mystical spirit does not exist, or Christians don't want it interfering in their lives.

But none of that matters, because when they do sin, all they have to do is earnestly ask Sweet Jesus to forgive them, and he does. Jesus forgives ALL sins and ALL sinners (except "blasphemy against the Holy Spirit," whatever that is). This is one of the basic tenets of Christianity, and one of their main selling points when trying to convert people. "Do you feel shitty for all the dumb, crappy things you've done in your life? Are you scared of going to hell? Then be a Christian! Jesus will instantly forgive you and if you should die tomorrow, you'll go to heaven!" It's a great sales pitch for the gullible and the easily frightened, and apparently it works.

[Drummer Guy]

Nope, ex-Christian, and the teaching that Jesus forgives ALL sins really does exist.

Yep, I understand that.  The distinction I'm making is when someone accepts Christ with the intent to just continue doing whatever they want to do.

[ApostateLois]

Maybe they don't intend to do it, but they still do. And each time they do, they can ask forgiveness, no matter how heinous the sin. Murder, rape, arson, child molestation, robbery, anything at all can be forgiven--just ask any Christian in prison. (Except, of course, blasphemy, which apparently is a higher priority in God's list of sins than, say, raping a child).

This really puts the lie to the following passages:

1 John 3:9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God.

1 John 5:18 We know that anyone born of God does not continue to sin; the One who was born of God keeps them safe, and the evil one cannot harm them.

Christians DO sin, and many of them don't seem to make much effort not to, so I guess that means none of them are "born of God."

[Mandingo]

Maybe they don't intend to do it, but they still do. And each time they do, they can ask forgiveness, no matter how heinous the sin. Murder, rape, arson, child molestation, robbery, anything at all can be forgiven--just ask any Christian in prison. (Except, of course, blasphemy, which apparently is a higher priority in God's list of sins than, say, raping a child).

This really puts the lie to the following passages:

1 John 3:9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God.

1 John 5:18 We know that anyone born of God does not continue to sin; the One who was born of God keeps them safe, and the evil one cannot harm them.

Christians DO sin, and many of them don't seem to make much effort not to, so I guess that means none of them are "born of God."

So how many more (non-)virgins did the Dirty Old Man rape besides Mary if He had so many 'born of Him'?

[Contemporary Protestant]

I'm not sure if you're joking, but Christians believe in immaculate conception, there was no rape involved in the conception of Jesus, according to my beliefs

Considering Mary's age at the time and the fact she likely wasn't educated, I doubt it was a cover up

However I can't refute the opium dream possibility

[Mandingo]

Ah, then you must be one of those (willfully) ignorant of the fact that Jebus, according to the fairy tales, a.k.a. the gospels was only the second of Mary's at least 4 sons. And if she was 8 months plus pregnant on a donkey going 100 miles cross-country to Bethlehem without any highways I'd call that a clear attempt at abortion! Jebus was an unwanted child!

If the bible is true, of course.

[Contemporary Protestant]

Where does it say mary had four kids,

I'm aware of Jesus siblings but it's believed they were Joseph's children of a different wife

Where does it say she was 8 months pregnant?

[Mandingo]

Your god told us. You don't doubt your god's word, do you?

[Solitary]

I'm not worried, the Pope recently said that even Martians can be baptized.  Solitary

[Mandingo]

I'm not worried, the Pope recently said that even Martians can be baptized.  Solitary

He should be so lucky!

[DunkleSeele]

I'm not sure if you're joking, but Christians believe in immaculate conception, there was no rape involved in the conception of Jesus, according to my beliefs

Considering Mary's age at the time and the fact she likely wasn't educated, I doubt it was a cover up

However I can't refute the opium dream possibility

You're mixing up different concepts here.
The "immaculate conception" is a Catholic dogma (not shared by other Christian cults) which states that Mary was sin-free from the moment of her conception. It has nothing to do with Jebus' conception.

What you're referring to is commonly known as "Virgin birth".

By the way, the "Immaculate conception" poses an interesting dilemma. All Christian cults state that all humans are born in sin; still, Mary (a human) wasn't. Now, if gawd could manage to take away the sin from at least one human, why couldn't he (as an omnipotent badass) do the same for ALL humans, therefore removing the need for Jebus, his "sacrifice" and all the hoollabaloo about it?