Present Evidence Here II

[Cavebear]

The video wasn't pushing religion, and neither was Kant.  So you were just tiggered.  Did Roy Rodgers use to ride you?

Partly, it was the refutation of religion as the basis of ethics.  But when I took the survey that suggested I was Kantish, I didn't know that.

Had you typed "triggerred" the Roy Rodgers thing would have made more sense.  On the other hand "tiggered" is more catish in a Pooh sense.

[Baruch]

Haha …. at least you aren't a Snowflake ;-)

[Unbeliever]

No 2 snowflakes are alike, so anyone could be a snowflake.

:-P

[Unbeliever]

Do animals get their morality from God? Of course not, and neither do humans.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcJxRqTs5nk

[Baruch]

Neither.  There is no morality.  Virtue signaling humans projecting onto other species.

[Cavebear]

Neither.  There is no morality.  Virtue signaling humans projecting onto other species.

There is indeed no "morality".  Morality is a set of religious rules created by humans and assigned to non-human reasons.  There are human ethics though.  We created them too and they apply to us better.

[Baruch]

There is indeed no "morality".  Morality is a set of religious rules created by humans and assigned to non-human reasons.  There are human ethics though.  We created them too and they apply to us better.

Correct.  We don't have morality or ethics.  We do have laws.  As established by political process.  Not that is wonderful, because … politicians.

[Cavebear]

Correct.  We don't have morality or ethics.  We do have laws.  As established by political process.  Not that is wonderful, because … politicians.

The slipperiest way to make an argument is to not "quite" finish the last sentence, as you did.  One could almost suggest...

[Baruch]

Exactly ...

[Cavebear]

Exactly ...

One might almost think...

[Unbeliever]

Didn't see a better place for this, so here it is:

What is the best argument for god's existence? Although I haven't yet found any which are without error, some arguments are better, or more convincing, than others. Apologetics can appear dry on the surface, but they're fascinating upon closer inspection. These arguments often sneak in false premises and tricky debate tactics which many don't catch. Here, though, I've analyzed some of the most popular arguments for god, charted their stats, examined their special abilities, and ranked them accordingly. The arguments discussed here are, in no particular order: The Ontological Argument, The Argument from Personal Experience, The Kalam Cosmological Argument, the Teleological Argument, Paschal's Wager, and the Moral Argument.

Want to know how to prove that god exists, or how to convince an atheist of god's existence? This tier list may shed light on the difficulties in doing that, and the tools at your disposal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpC8WtufJbo

[Baruch]

If one has had direct experience, no convincing is necessary.  Most religious people have only had indirect experience.  An atheist may have had indirect experience in the past.  The primary question is evidence more than clever argument.  Someone who has indirect experience may or may not be able to articulate that experience.  Someone with direct experience has encountered the ineffable.  It can't be properly spoken of.  In so far as someone with indirect experience is able to articulate that experience, they are articulating an effect not a cause.  The "Cause of all things", is necessarily ineffable, because articulation, is in the domain of effect.  An atheist only accepts the domain of effect.  For him nothing in ineffable.  There can be no "Cause of all things".

People who argue that G-d exists or does not exist ... do not properly understand what the word "exists" means.

[od19g6]

So, yes, I've made another thread to carry on from the archived one. What happens to this is up to the gods, but its here anyway, just in case. I've copied the OP from the original thread, so let the chat commence:

"We often get many theists claiming to have evidence for the god or gods they hold dear. This thread is created with the aim of allowing them to supply such evidence so that we may debate with them knowing the facts and conclusions they have drawn, and so that we may respond in kind.

So here we are. If you claim to have evidence that supports your god(s), please post it here:"

The best evidence of God is the human being itself.

[Hydra009]

The best evidence of God is the human being itself.

Now all you have to show how the human being is necessarily linked to this god character.

Otherwise, it's just an embarrassing non-sequitur and your argument is DOA.

[od19g6]

Now all you have to show how the human being is necessarily linked to this god character.

Otherwise, it's just an embarrassing non-sequitur and your argument is DOA.

The link between the human being and God is a special one in that the human being has the potential to display all of the names and attributes of God at the highest level beyond any living creature in the universe.

We are the most perfect creation in the universe.