Present Evidence Here II

[the_antithesis]

Unless you mean strictly scientific evidence but you'll find everything is precisely mathematically arranged and part of an orderly sequence of formation over time from galaxies to DNA.

You are stupid.

[Passion of Christ]

This right here describes the flaw in your logic. You begin with an assumption and look for facts that fit.

Like how you assume God doesn't exist then pull out passages from the Bible that don't happen to fit with our scientific knowledge of the universe? We can agree that scientifically that's not what happened but you just have to replace their lack of scientific understanding with modern science. God was never used as a scientific explanation though what he did was create the natural world, sustain it's existence and have a relationship with his creatures. That God still works with this universe.

approach is the opposite of science.

The Bible isn't a scientific book it's about God who has a relationship with his creatures. You can still have that regardless of how much we understand scientifically. It's not that our science necessarily even points towards random coincidental chaos anyway there is really very mathematically precise finely tuned structure to be found, the whole can be seen to tie together as one whole.  



The life we have here on Earth is linked to all of this we're not a byproduct but the end result of a complex process of formation. Why can't it have been a deliberate process? Given the sheer complexity of everything that had to be involved for us to get here it would make more sense if it was.

You are stupid.

No need to explain why just give your opinion without backing it up.

[Plu]

Like how you assume God doesn't exist then pull out passages from the Bible that don't happen to fit with our scientific knowledge of the universe?

No, like how we don't see any reason to believe god exists any more than we see a reason to believe unicorns exist. There's some books talking about them, but no physical evidence and believing or not believing in their existance seems to have no measurable effects, so you might as well assume they aren't real.

Now the reason we don't go out claiming unicorns don't exist is because people believing in unicorns don't have a record of making life miserable for people throughout history. If they did, we'd have more of a problem with them.

[Sargon The Grape]

Like how you assume God doesn't exist then pull out passages from the Bible that don't happen to fit with our scientific knowledge of the universe?

This right here is the biggest divide between your thinking and ours. I have far too much experience with this line of theistic thinking, which is this:

The only way you know how to rationalize our position is to assume that we are making an assumption comparable to your own. You can't comprehend the concept of a mutable, evidence-based position that does not include a deity within it, because you have been conditioned to believe that the existence of a deity is simply a given. As a result, you openly project your own biases onto us, not at all self-aware of how flawed your approach is.

You will not be able to have any sort of meaningful conversation on this forum until you are able to discard that method of thinking.

[the_antithesis]

No need to explain why just give your opinion without backing it up.

When someone comes into your home and shits on the carpet, they do not deserve an explanation for why you smack their head and throw them out.

[Passion of Christ]

No, like how we don't see any reason to believe god exists any more than we see a reason to believe unicorns exist.

Whenever you say anything about unicorns, leprechauns or Santa Claus you have what is called "Santa Syndrome" don't fall into that one.

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There's some books talking about them, but no physical evidence and believing or not believing in their existance seems to have no measurable effects, so you might as well assume they aren't real.

They were a misidentified African antelope viewed from the side making it look like they had only one horn that's what they were.  They weren't meant to be anything supernatural like that film with Tom Cruise in it just an animal.

Now the reason we don't go out claiming unicorns don't exist is because people believing in unicorns don't have a record of making life miserable for people throughout history. If they did, we'd have more of a problem with them.

There were no atheists who made life miserable for people?



What about the good things religion achieved? Say the things that actually have something to do with the core religious/spiritual teachings? Do you just ignore all that?

[Moriarty]

Religions has done nothing good. When the balance is done the right side of the equation is in the negative........badly.

[Hydra009]

What about the good things religion achieved? Say the things that actually have something to do with the core religious/spiritual teachings? Do you just ignore all that?

[Sargon The Grape]

What about the good things religion achieved? Say the things that actually have something to do with the core religious/spiritual teachings? Do you just ignore all that?

[PickelledEggs]

There were no atheists who made life miserable for people?

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What about the good things religion achieved? Say the things that actually have something to do with the core religious/spiritual teachings? Do you just ignore all that?

I hear Stalin was an atheist. But there is no evidence that ties lack of belief to how horribly he treated people.

In the words of Steven Weinberg: "With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion"

And can you name a few positive things that religion achieved? Aside from comfort from death, which I don't really see as a necessarily good thing or something that can be exclusively achieved from religion, I don't know many and none come to mind right now.

[Moriarty]

Here's the deal on "Atheist" atrocities. Lets just assume for a moment that the belief Stalin, or any of the others, was an Atheist is accurate. That is one individual, sure he may have had aid from others who may or not have been Atheist as well but NO Atheist organization ever decided to try to wipe out an entire group of people........ Never heard of the Atheist Crusades, or the Atheist Inquisitions, Atheist terrorism, etc...

[Hydra009]

And can you name a few positive things that religion achieved? Aside from comfort from death, which I don't really see as a necessarily good thing or something that can be exclusively achieved from religion, I don't know many and none come to mind right now.

Charity!  And sometimes, without any aggressive proselytizing or strings attached.  How generous!

Some people might say that a non-taxed organization that rakes in up to 10% of people's earnings might ought to be expected to do a little charity work.  That keeping it all and living lavishly would be monstrous.  To those people I say yeah, that's actually a good point.

[Moriarty]

And can you name a few positive things that religion achieved? Aside from comfort from death, which I don't really see as a necessarily good thing or something that can be exclusively achieved from religion, I don't know many and none come to mind right now.

Charity!  And sometimes, without any aggressive proselytizing or strings attached.  How generous!

Some people might say that a non-taxed organization that rakes in up to 10% of people's earnings might ought to be expected to do a little charity work.  That keeping it all and living lavishly would be monstrous.  To those people I say yeah, that's actually a good point.

All that charity..........."Please believe my bullshit story and come to our church."

[PickelledEggs]

My sister has been on a few mission trips in the last couple years. And while I am all for the rebuilding of destroyed communities and fixing dilapidated houses that they do, it usually comes with a heap of brain washing. My mom went with her one year and had to deprogram my sister after she (my mom)  was done vomiting from all the wacko stuff that was said by the mission trip organizers. And yes. My mom actually felt sick and vomited because the bullshit was so heavy, even for her.

Yes religion does a lot of charity and sometimes there isn't any religion attached to their favors, but what is something achieved exclusively by religion. Charity and helping other people is something that everyone does. And if you get a group of people together whether they believe in something like a god or not, they can do something very charitable.

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[the_antithesis]

What about the good things religion achieved?

Don't care.

The good religion has allegedly done says nothing about the truth value of your claims.

Until you can actual, solid evidence for your bullshit, you have no place here.