Started by Glitch, March 24, 2014, 07:43:10 PM
QuoteA disturbing thought for us dog lovers that even those we trust as "family", when pissed are a little more deadly that we are...weapons aside.
Quote from: Mermaid on July 29, 2017, 11:51:24 AMI am going to call bullshit on this one for several reasons: -Animals DO have vocal language. Some languages are quite complex. -Animals (including humans) communicate through non-vocal means, also complex. -Animals teach their young and learn from peers, it's well documented.-Behavior is a very big driver in natural selection.
Quote from: Blackleaf on September 24, 2017, 10:29:08 PMIt depends on the animal. And some are closer to adult human thinking capabilities than others. Even children have limited thinking capacity. Below a certain age, they literally have no episodic memory. To be brief, episodic memories are what we typically conceive memories as being. It's a when the brain replays events in your head to the best of its ability (which is very flawed, BTW). In contrast, there is also semantic memory, which is basically just a collection of facts. Toddlers might remember that throwing a toy on the floor will result in someone picking it up and returning it to you (a child's version of playing fetch with the adults), but they will not have any specific memories of times when this trick has actually worked. I suspect most mammals have semantic memory, but lack episodic memory. Some animals have an impressive amount of brain power, however. I'm sure most of you are familiar with Koko, the gorilla who learned to speak sign language. Koko, while not as intelligent as an adult human, was definitely capable of thought. This shouldn't really be a surprise, though, given they are somewhat close relatives of ours.
Quote from: Cavebear on September 28, 2017, 04:44:19 AMEven my cats understand death of a companion, and they aren't exactly contemplative creatures. When one dies or is euthanized, I have brought the bodies home and set them out for examination. The living ones sniff carefully. One tried to push a body into movement. Another tried to snuggle against a familiar companion. In most cases, they were unusually subdued for a day.
Quote from: trdsf on September 28, 2017, 10:34:29 AMI had a similar experience with Random and Mavis, my previous feline overlords. I'd taken Random to the vet to have kidney stones removed, dropping him off on my way to work, and he'd be staying overnight. When I got home, Mavis was sitting just inside the front door -- which she never did. Then she started running back to the bedroom door, then back to me, repeatedly. When I opened the door, she ran in and checked every corner of the room, then plunked down in front of me and gave one piteous meow. Clearly, she had some awareness of the concept that Random had been trapped in the bedroom all day.
Quote from: PopeyesPappy on September 28, 2017, 11:18:29 AMAll I know is my pet thought he needed to go out at 3:30 this morning, and I'm not happy about it...
Quote from: PopeyesPappy on September 28, 2017, 01:13:04 PMBravo likes cats.They taste like chicken.
Quote from: Cavebear on September 28, 2017, 11:06:43 AMOur "pets" have more of a relationship to each other than they do us in many ways. They barely understand us other than some large thing in the house that feeds them and cleans the litterboxes. They know each other far more intimately. As much as they fuss and try to steal each others' food, there is an understanding they have that we never will. They are distressed when any of them are distressed, they hide in any of them are put into a carrier, if one has stepped on a thorn, they all gather around and lick each other in comfort. I can sit on the bed and stroke one and the others start purring, and I don't think it is in expectation of getting stroked. They are reacting to each other's sense of well-being. I think they could not even see the other being stroked but still know it is happening.
Quote from: PopeyesPappy on September 28, 2017, 08:01:13 PMI won't retract it because it was meant as a joke. I will however say that I love cats too. While I don't currently have one I have had many over the years. It wasn't that long ago that I had 3 greyhounds and 3 cats all living happily in the same house at the same time. They are all gone now, but we had Panda for 21 years before she passed so we must have been doing something right by her. As far as Bravo goes he is a bit of a special needs hound. He is very timid although not as bad as he was 3 years ago when we got him. I am pretty sure though that if a cat looked crosseyed at him he would cry and head for hills as fast as he could. In the meantime meet an old friend of mine, Josie. Josie passed through my home as puppy on her way to her forever home. The reason Josie only has one eye is she was attacked in her own yard by one of her neighbor's cats. Tell me something, Cavebear. Are your cats ever allowed to roam freely outside?