Is Freefall Proof of Controlled Demolition?

[AllPurposeAtheist]

Golly gee guys.. a 2 hour documentary on how government space aliens flew airplanes into skyscrapers,  but it didn't really hurt them all that much, but little government munchkins snuck in and blew the whole thing up!    What the hell.. I have nothing better to do than not waste 2 hours.  :-D

[theory816]

wow...Ok seriously watch the vid first. If your still unconvinced that's fine and dandy.

[stromboli]

http://science.howstuffworks.com/engine ... osion2.htm

Please to note, Sahib, that a controlled demolition explosion to cause a vertical fall is from the bottom up, not the top down. And I keep repeating to you brain dead conspiracy idiots that it takes literally weeks of work by hundreds of people to rig a building to collapse, involves hundreds of pounds of explosives, miles of wire, mechanical triggers, electrical triggers, cutting of support members by physical means- cutting torches, K-12 saws, etc. Removing of outer walls to reach inner support columns and so on and so on. It would have taken an army of people working over a long period, involve extensive deconstruction and removal of outer walls and concrete and so forth.

And nobody noticed. fuck you people. You are class "A" morons.

[Atheon]

Please end this stupid thread already. Jesus F. Christ... :roll:

[josephpalazzo]

Golly gee guys.. a 2 hour documentary on how government space aliens flew airplanes into skyscrapers,  but it didn't really hurt them all that much, but little government munchkins snuck in and blew the whole thing up!    What the hell.. I have nothing better to do than not waste 2 hours.  :-D

Space Aliens, you say...Here's evidence:

[AllPurposeAtheist]

That doesn't appear to be an official gubnit space alien.  [-(

[josephpalazzo]

That doesn't appear to be an official gubnit space alien.  [-(

I provided you with evidence, and you still deny... WTF?!??!?

[Sargon The Grape]

Oh, please, this is obviously photoshopped. The Death Star is at the complete wrong angle for that laser to be causing the explosion. This is what really happened:

[josephpalazzo]

Oh, please, this is obviously photoshopped. The Death Star is at the complete wrong angle for that laser to be causing the explosion. This is what really happened:

[Solitary]

Have any of you actually watched this video before dismissing it?  The people talking on it are experts in their fields, how many do we have here? :roll:    Solitary

[AtheistMoFo]

Firstly, you're talking to a former Air Force firefighter, who has seen more jet fuel burn than anyone here except Stromboli, perhaps. I know how it behaves. It does sometimes explode with velocities up to 1800 meters per second, which is quite enough to separate a man from his clothes, as anyone who has worked an air crash can attest. I think the chance of the passport surviving is quite a bit better than you do, for reasons already stated. I base that opinion on my personal experience in working aircraft crashes -- three, to be exact (two fatality, one a class B mishap).

Great, then as a former air force firefighter who has seen so much jet fuel burn, perhaps you would care to tell us of a few instances in your firefighting career when you witnessed jet fuel exploding and objects made of materials similar to paper being blown clear of the scene without being scortched?  Because it is quite obvious that you do think the passport had a greater chance of surviving than I do.  And while you claim now that you have already stated those reasons, I must have missed that post, so humor me, point me to your post when you gave those reasons.

Also, you insist on relying on Occam's Razor at certain points in your argument, while disregarding it in others. It should be noted that Occam's Razor is only advice; it is not a hard-and-fast rule or physical law.

The reason I have quoted Occam's Razor on numerous occassions is it is a common arguement against theism.  You, being a theist of sorts, are unwelcome to accept it as advice, of course, but I have not claimed it to be a law of physics.  And even when I do quote actual laws of physics, you deny those as well.

Surely you don't consider the Iraq invasion (which was "justified" by mentioning Iraqi "guilt" in 9/11, partially) to have benefited the American government, do you? It radically undermined the trust the American people have in it, it alienated even friendly governments overseas so that our foreign policy initiatives went floundering, it entrenched the government in debt such that it was unable to respond to pressing domestic needs, and it aroused the hatred of radical Muslims even further, guaranteeing future attacks.

No, of course I do not consider the invasion of iraq to have benefitted the American government.  What ever gave you that idea?

And now that you have brought it up, the invasion was also extremely detrimental to the American people on the whole.  But if you deny that it benefitted a small number of people, you must have been born yesterday.

Furthermore, I do definitely believe that you, Rocky, Stromboli, and everyone else who approves of torture are yourselves harming not only the American government, but also the American people and the image of America as a nation abroad.  You probably don't realize that in the eyes of civilized people, you torture supporters are as disdained and despised as those who commit torture.

[Sargon The Grape]

[Insult to Rocks]

Firstly, you're talking to a former Air Force firefighter, who has seen more jet fuel burn than anyone here except Stromboli, perhaps. I know how it behaves. It does sometimes explode with velocities up to 1800 meters per second, which is quite enough to separate a man from his clothes, as anyone who has worked an air crash can attest. I think the chance of the passport surviving is quite a bit better than you do, for reasons already stated. I base that opinion on my personal experience in working aircraft crashes -- three, to be exact (two fatality, one a class B mishap).

Great, then as a former air force firefighter who has seen so much jet fuel burn, perhaps you would care to tell us of a few instances in your firefighting career when you witnessed jet fuel exploding and objects made of materials similar to paper being blown clear of the scene without being scortched?  Because it is quite obvious that you do think the passport had a greater chance of surviving than I do.  And while you claim now that you have already stated those reasons, I must have missed that post, so humor me, point me to your post when you gave those reasons.

Also, you insist on relying on Occam's Razor at certain points in your argument, while disregarding it in others. It should be noted that Occam's Razor is only advice; it is not a hard-and-fast rule or physical law.

The reason I have quoted Occam's Razor on numerous occassions is it is a common arguement against theism.  You, being a theist of sorts, are unwelcome to accept it as advice, of course, but I have not claimed it to be a law of physics.  And even when I do quote actual laws of physics, you deny those as well.

Surely you don't consider the Iraq invasion (which was "justified" by mentioning Iraqi "guilt" in 9/11, partially) to have benefited the American government, do you? It radically undermined the trust the American people have in it, it alienated even friendly governments overseas so that our foreign policy initiatives went floundering, it entrenched the government in debt such that it was unable to respond to pressing domestic needs, and it aroused the hatred of radical Muslims even further, guaranteeing future attacks.

No, of course I do not consider the invasion of iraq to have benefitted the American government.  What ever gave you that idea?

And now that you have brought it up, the invasion was also extremely detrimental to the American people on the whole.  But if you deny that it benefitted a small number of people, you must have been born yesterday.

Furthermore, I do definitely believe that you, Rocky, Stromboli, and everyone else who approves of torture are yourselves harming not only the American government, but also the American people and the image of America as a nation abroad.  You probably don't realize that in the eyes of civilized people, you torture supporters are as disdained and despised as those who commit torture.

First,I do not believe in torture, and even if I did, that has absolutely no bearing on this discussion. Second, believing in the official explanation for 9/11 does in no way dictate that you have any specific political ideologies. Third, sternly object to your calling of thumpalumpacus as a theist. Theism is the belief in a god or gods, which has no relation to this discussion. If you wish to compare us to theists, do in a way that shows the distinction between action typical to theists and what theism actually is.
What I'm saying is, learn to debate, and stop the assumptions.

[AtheistMoFo]

If this is more crap about "nano-thermite explosives", we've already discredited that suggestion multiple times.

Rocky, Rocky, Rocky.  What are we going to do with you.  No, Rocky, to blindly express disagreement with the laws of physics is not the same as to discredit an idea.

The biggest problem I've seen with truther claims is that they believe that as long as they punch holes in the official explanation, that immediately validates their own explanation, and anyone who disagrees or points out flaws is accused of being ignorant, brainwashed, or a government stooge.

Someone once said that if you eliminate all the theories that are proven false, what remains must be the truth.  We, the debunkers of the official conspiracy theory (or "troofers" if you prefer) have proven that the official theory violates the laws of physics.  Now you can deny that all you want, but it does not change the facts.

Other than the theory we controlled demolition theorists propose, I have not heard a single credible* alternate theory.  You have one that is consistent with the laws of physics?

*credible: this means the Godzilla theory and Death Star theory are out of the picture.  Sorry Hijiri Byakuren

[AtheistMoFo]

Please to note, Sahib, that a controlled demolition explosion to cause a vertical fall is from the bottom up, not the top down.

First of all, not necessarily always from the bottom up, although that method is by far the most common.  But secondly, and more importantly, have you ever even SEEN the video of WTC 7 coming down?  If you call that from the top down, you should try taking your head out of your ass when you watch.  The view will likely be much clearer.

And I keep repeating to you brain dead conspiracy idiots that it takes literally weeks of work by hundreds of people to rig a building to collapse...  It would have taken an army of people working over a long period, involve extensive deconstruction and removal of outer walls and concrete and so forth.

And we the debunkers of the "official" conspiracy theory keep ignoring you because it has nothing to do with the point.  In fact, I have never heard anyone disagree with that point.  Of course it takes weeks if not months to rig a building the size of WTC 7 for demolition.  And doing it surreptitiously would make it that much more difficult.  So we really need an investigation in order to find out how they did it right under the noses of building security.  Maybe New York state could conduct its own investigation.  They have jurisdiction.  Or New York City, perhaps.  They have jurisdiction also.

And nobody noticed. fuck you people. You are class "A" morons.

Oh, that really bolsters your arguement, Stromboli.  You ought to be proud.  Did you come up with that on your own, or did someone help you?