Is Freefall Proof of Controlled Demolition?

[Insult to Rocks]

Okay, I feel as though I have to adress this: if the U.S government was willing to cause extreme damage to itself and risk becoming a worldwide pariah, it would need a very good reason. An excuse for invading Iraq is not a good reason. If the U.S was willing to do such an inane and insane ation such as staging the 9/11 attacks, there is absolutely no reason why we wouldn't have just invaded Iraq during the First Gulf War. All that was holding us back was the coalitions refusal to help. If we needed to, we could have gone it alone.
What I'm saying is, this whole thing, if it was a government conspiracy, seems to be taking a huge and pointless risk.

MOFO REPLIES:

Rocky, not sure who you are aiming your remark at, but mind if I butt in?  Just how and when did the U.S. government cause extreme damage to itself?  I mean, an octopus will eat its own tentacles when it is hungry, but I can't see where the U.S. government has ever done anything that was not for its own gain and/or for the gain of the politicians who run the government.  Please show me what I missed.

If we assume that 9/11 was an inside job by the U.S government, then we have to assume that said government attacked: an important world economic center in their own nations' largest city, the Pentagon, which is the military center of the U.S and would jeopardize our ability to mount a military response if it was seriously damaged, and an attempted attack on a target in the DC area. That rules out the military, the rich, and the politicians as reasonable conspirators. So, whose left? The FFA?

As for your question, the U.S government has done things altruistically before. Take the oil embargo on Japan that led up to the pacific war. FDR issued an economic embargo on Japan due to it's gastly war with China. This was a move that would not have been popular with 50% of America at the time, and FDR did not have any real personal stake in the conflict. In fact, were it not for that embargo, Japan may not have attacked the U.S, so it actually did real physical harm to us eventually.

[aitm]

It reminds of all the James Bond movies....you know you have this massive "secret" underground cavern where a billion dollars of missiles and equipment and man power,,,oh "secret" manpower, the "are they paid or not" type of manpower, completely expendable but they care enough to give them hard hats so if the atomic bomb in the missile blows up parts of their brain are still somewhat congealed into the plastic. And these hundreds of men apparently live like slaves and have no mom or dad or wife or sister or brother or children that they worry about what happens due to their actions..

so like the vaccine conspiracy nuts, all these scientists and doctors are apparently weaned from the orphanages at a very young age and mind washed, none of them have family so they all have an evil hatred of life and family and ...and....LOL.....oy vey

so too those who brought this massive disaster to the US...haters all...bred right here in the slums..raised by super secret single ugly fat scientists,, probably eunuchs as well, who hate god, murican and any fucking kind of pie...they trainted these evil rat bastard children.. rasied them in secret cells in Arkansas deep in the woods, and forty years ago,,or fitty whenever  they built the towers, they snuck these devious hellions into the construction crews and they planted bombs in the poured concrete columns or placed them on the steel columns,,, all without anymotherfucker seeing a goddamn thing.. clever little family less, love-less, enuchs and bastard humans.....



makes perfect sense.

[theory816]

We are slowly losing our rights, slowly losing our guns. You can be considered a "terrorist" without trial. Don't you see? That means that they can send a predator drone and bomb the shit out of you for whatever reason and slap the "terrorist" badge on you and get away with it. Please wake up guys!

[Insult to Rocks]

We are slowly losing our rights, slowly losing our guns. You can be considered a "terrorist" without trial. Don't you see? That means that they can send a predator drone and bomb the shit out of you for whatever reason and slap the "terrorist" badge on you and get away with it. Please wake up guys!

Automatic weapons ban, gun control for convicted felons, minors, and the mentally unstable.

DE GOVENMENT IS TAKIN MY GUNS! NOW HOW AM I GONNA THREATEN DEM SO THEY DONT TAKE AWAY MY GUNS? I NEED MY FULL AUTO M63 FOR MY QUIAL HUNTIN!

[theory816]

=D> Nice. So when you to the store tomorrow are you going to be afraid of the guy standing next to you in the checkout aisle? I mean he can slit your throat any time he wants to with a zappo knife. No, the fact of the matter is that you can die any second from anything. But you don't give up your freedom because of this. There have been countless arguments like this.

[AllPurposeAtheist]

***slits throats just because I can. Now you're dead motherfucker and I have your gun. BANG BANG!

Someone call a cop.  :roll:

[theory816]

Dont forget to run over my dead body with a car. Btw, sorry to OP for veering off topic.

[Plu]

Losing access to guns doesn't mean your country is in the shitter. There's a million reasons your country is going down the shitter, though. I'm guessing the worst of which are shitty education, religious brainwashing, nationalist propaganda, and "us vs them" mentality.

[AllPurposeAtheist]

Losing access to guns doesn't mean your country is in the shitter. There's a million reasons your country is going down the shitter, though. I'm guessing the worst of which are shitty education, religious brainwashing, nationalist propaganda, and "us vs them" mentality.

But no guns means bad people would exist! :shock:

Actually Plu, your post ought to be read daily by our president, congress and supreme court... out loud on tv in their underwear.

[AtheistMoFo]

So I like how this thread has evolved from paranoid 9/11 conspiracy theories to paranoid ramblings about government secret societies.
I say like because it gives me an excuse to make NWO/Patriots jokes.
As for Mofo, you are simultaneously giving the Jihadists too much and too little credit, somehow. You assume that something like the 9/11 attacks couldn't happen via terrorism, though there are multiple similar cases, and you assume that they did not have the aptitude to do such a thing, when in reality it would not take that much skill to perform the attacks, not to mention that they did mess up the Pentagon attack, and they completely botched the 4th attack.
As for too much credit, you are assuming that the terrorists objective was specifically to destroy the buildings. In reality, all they had to do is hit them. They're terrorists. Their objective is to spread fear and intimidation. A suicide bombing of 4 landmarks and thousands of casualties would do that fairly well, I would say. For evidence, just look at the Pentagon attack. One plane could not hope to destroy such a large building as the Pentagon, but one plane could break the false sense of security that the U.S had. Terrorism is about ideologies and psychology, not military campaigns and political maneuvering.

"As for Mofo, you are simultaneously giving the Jihadists too much and too little credit, somehow. You assume that something like the 9/11 attacks couldn't happen via terrorism ..."

Couldn't happen via terrorism? ? ? ? ?  Rocky, just how in the hell do you define terrorism?  What are you assuming that I assume?  I define terrorism as any henious act committed by *any person or group* with the aim to strike terror and fear into the hearts of ordinary peace loving folks.  If you don't call the hijacking of four airplanes, crashing them into buildings, killing thousands of (mostly innocent) people an act of terrorism -- like if that ain't terrorism, then what is?

" ... when in reality it would not take that much skill to perform the attacks..."

First of all, MoFo never said the jihadists had no part in it.  MoFo said that they had help of insiders.  But speaking of insiders, if the attacks would have been so easy for the jihadists, how simple would it be for insiders?  Or simpler yet, jihadists with help from insiders?

"...you are assuming that the terrorists objective was specifically to destroy the buildings. In reality, all they had to do is hit them. They're terrorists. Their objective is to spread fear and intimidation."

Stop assuming what I assume.  MoFo never said/implied the objective was to destroy the buildings.  You made that up.
We seem to agree that the objective of terrorism is to spread fear and intimidation.  Where we do not agree is who had motive, opportunity, and expertise to pull it off, and who DID pull it off.

"Terrorism is about ideologies and psychology, not military campaigns and political maneuvering."

! ! !

Blimey!  At last!  You've finally seen the light!  It is all about ideology, psychology, and stategy.  Congratulations.  Now all you need is to do a little more reasearch on your own instead of swallowing everything the media feeds you, and you too will become enlightened!

[Shiranu]

[Damarcus]

So the RAND corporation, in conjunction with the saucer people,
under the supervision of the reverse vampires,
faked these attacks in a fiendish plot to eliminate the meal of dinner!

we're through the looking glass here people...

[theory816]

See, the mere thought of government working against you is too much. Its only when you can peel away the first layer that everything else can be soaked in easily.

[Damarcus]

See, the mere thought of government working against you is too much. Its only when you can peel away the first layer that everything else can be soaked in easily.

I'm not a US citizen and I'm pretty sure the US government is working against me.
 
But I don't quite understand what you mean here. Are you saying that if I want to accept your conspiracy theory, all I have to do is accept your conspiracy theory?

[AtheistMoFo]

Would you believe?

If you can believe this, a group of arab muslim jihadists drive to Logan Airport in a rented vehicle, on their way to a jihad.  The plan is to hijack airplanes and kill thousands of infidels.  In their haste, they forget their arabic language flight instruction manual, a koran, and a commercial aircraft fuel consumption calculator in the car.  (Similar items were discovered in bags checked in for the hijacked flight, but somehow never made it onto the plane.)  The hijackers simply "forgot" the manuals and fuel calculator and maybe they decided they did not need their koran because they would be collecting their 72 virgins within a couple of hours anyway.

Or, would you belive these items were planted.

HINT: Occam's Razor