Is Freefall Proof of Controlled Demolition?

[The Skeletal Atheist]

As long as you dont care, they dont care.

Who the hell are "they"? You can't just throw out some nefarious "they" and expect us to go "yeah that checks out!". You claim that 9/11, Sandy Hook, and the Boston Bombing were all carried out by this evil group that makes COBRA look downright realistic.

The burden is on you to prove that all of these were the carried out by some nefarious secret society. The burden is also on you to prove that they were carried out by the same secret society.

[AllPurposeAtheist]

Hey, just keep repeating the same dumb shit and it becomes true eventually,  right?

[Thumpalumpacus]

So what can we all agree on here? WTC1/2/3 went down, pentagon got hit, thousands died. I believe it is safe to say that everyone agrees on that.

Firstly, the overall bigger picture here that truthers try to present is that a secret society exist. 9/11, Sandy hook, Boston bombing, banking system, all stems out from this SS. Its important that you firstly have to accept the idea that there exists a SS in your government. Without this simple acceptance, it will be hard for you to accept the theory's presented to you.  Ive seen this many times with Theist folks and God. The theist must first accept the idea that there might not be a god FIRST before all logical and reasonable explanations presented by an atheist start to make sense. If you cannot get through that layer nothing you say will work.

You must also have to ask yourself as why the idea of a SS isnt realistic for you. My Gov would neeeever lie to me. They would neeeeever kill their own people for their own personal gains. Its a scary thought yes. Imagine the thought of no God for a Theist. Its also scary for them. So again if you cant penetrate the first layer, nothing will make sense.

Here's what I believe happen on 9/11:
1. A problem is created.___Planes crash_______________
2. Control the perception.______People believe Terrorist did it___________
3. Offer solution.______Invade_____________

 Its a classic technique. Can you guys apply that to sandy hook? Ill help you. 1. Fake a mass shooting. 2. 17y/o gunman is presented as the killer. 3. Take away your guns and rights.

You have to decide for yourself for when the coincidences stop.

Nobody knows what this SS society is up to next but something will come. Its a forecast that something major will happen in the future using the technique above. This time the solution will have to do with chipping people. This is all you need to take from this thread. One you start seeing the pattern, everything will start to make sense. Nobody wants to say I told you so to something like this.

Look at your life right now. We work and work. Most of us will be paying off debt until we die. We pay for our basic needs of survival. Did you know the basic needs are all free? Food can be grown in our backyards, electricity can come from the sun, electric can power our cars. WEED! Weed can be grown in our backyard for free son! But no, we pay good money for something that should be free! How dumb are we? All efforts of supporting these free basic needs have been suppressed. Its an effort to keep you working. To keep you paying debt. To keep you busy and not be able to think and be independent. That is all I have to say. The biggest impact I can have on you is to change myself and then people will start to follow. The SS will only have power as long as you cooperate.

This post has been reported.

[AtheistMoFo]

Okay. I hear you. So what are you doing about it all? And do you believe 9/11 is that necessary to illustrate that point, much as it is hotly debated against, as you see here? As an observer I can't help but see better, more immediately observable and testable examples of government corruption or shit for brains elected officials. Yes, I agree, the TSA is security theater.
9/11 inside job. Which authority? Which party? It's all water under the bridge now. How do we apply that moving forward? I have a hard time thinking anyone out there genuinely has no concerns about government

Nobody has all the answers, neither you neither me, so I just follow the course that would appear to be most effective in my opinion.  You are quite correct that there is no shortage of instances showing what lowlife scumbags some politicians can be.  But in my opinion, yes, it does seem to me that exposing 9/11 for the false flag operation that it really was is the best way to get the message across.  But if someone has a better plan, I would be glad to adopt that.

My thinking is, if we don't do something, the situation will just keep on getting worse.  The true culprit(s) who pulled off 9/11 was not "the government" per se, nor the democrats, nor the republicans.  I belive there must have been a number of people who plotted the 9/11 massacre who were holding the right positions in government, military, and in the civilian sector.  Without a thorough investigation, however, there is no way to name names.  We can speculate, but that is all it would be.

History repeats itself, like a pendulum, it swings back and forth between despotism and egalitarianism.  Right now we are fast moving forward in the direction of despotic tyranny.  What surprises me is that so many atheists are so brainwashed and closed minded when it comes to 9/11, and indeed, anything to do with politics/government.  Blindly swallowing everything the government and the media feed them with no consideration of logic and not even interested in learning the facts.  Religion does not make people stupid.  People are stupid, so they invent religion.  The Church of 9/11 and the 72 Virgins is no different.

[AllPurposeAtheist]

Hey, just keep repeating the same dumb shit and it becomes true eventually,  right?

Just keep repeating the same dumb shit and it becomes true eventually, right?

I'll keep repeating this till it becomes true.   :roll:

[Shol'va]

My thinking is, if we don't do something, the situation will just keep on getting worse.

Before I continue, I should say, for what it's worth, that I have lived through the revolution that overthrew the communist regime of Ceausescu in Romania. My life was put in danger several times over the course of a few never-ending days, so I have first hand experience of what it means for a populace to take it to the ultimate solution and "do something".

So, what do you suggest we do now as citizens of the USA?
Because if you want to talk about sleazeballs in government and doing something about it, you don't have to convince me 9/11 was an inside job.

[AllPurposeAtheist]

Here's a shocker, every government on earth has sleezy people in the shadows. We have courts and elections that supposedly corrects the problem.  Sadly it's not a perfect system, but it does work.

[Shol'va]

It's obvious that the point of contention is over the said magnitude of said sleaziness.
Personally I simply cannot picture myself going to bed comfortably at night, being fully convinced 9/11 was my government's doing.
This isn't to say I am announcing a willful ignorance or denial in order to cope, rather I am stating my bewilderment at the conspiracy theorists. Where's the pitchforks, people? Why aren't you in the streets?

[theory816]

They= people with power, elites, people who are looking to control you.

[AllPurposeAtheist]

Uhmm..we have lives outside of political nonsense. If it's as bad as you say or think we don't have an iron curtain forcing you to remain a prisoner on planet corruption. There's always Russia who I'm sure would welcome you, but of course you'll need to swipe some highly classified government secrets or something.  :roll:

[theory816]

You're free to try and build all these electronic devices you have in your home in your spare time if you like, but for most people it's a given that work generates more resources than growing your own food. I don't know about you, but my standard of living is a lot higher if I go to my dayjob then when I try to grow my own crops and get my hands on those "free" resources (which would be a fulltime job most likely)

If the above is not true for you, you're an idiot for having a job and you should be growing your own food for sure.


Also if you have no idea what the SS' goals are, then there is no way to reliably test if they exist. Same argument applies to god; you can attribute stuff to it but until you can learn of how it works you cannot claim it's actually there. Once you start coming up with goals for your SS you can start looking for proof that they're real. Until then, you're just making more connections and assigning motivations that might not be there.

This addresses your first paragraph. Im going to go with a "things are ass backwards"  theme so stick with me. There have been very smart people who dedicate the time and effort into making devices that produces efficient energy, granted many of them might not be the holy grail to end all energy wars but the effort was there. And instead of supporting them, many of them are not funded and are suppressed.
Look who is still the top dog of energy today? Its still oil and gas. Oil and gas=$$$$$$$. Have you seen Dubai? They have fkn Bugatti's as police cars for fk sake! Its so sad that its laughable. :rollin:. We need gas in order to get to work, we need work in order to get gas. Its a endless death cycle and if you cant see the irony in that then just stop reading from here on out. Your a smart guy and im sure you see the irony in that, and if you saw the irony isn't the first thing you would think of is to find a alternate energy source? Im assuming yes so don't you think people have put effort into building more efficient means of transportation? If people really think gas is the only means to get around then they are very dumb indeed. So you see, gas and oil is just one category of how the overall collective interest and effort have been focused on. Its ass backwards.

Food. People go to fast food joints and markets to get their food instead of growing it right? But why? Is it because its more convenient? OK, that's understandable as long as its .............wait for it............... CONVENIENT. Continuing with the "ass backwards" theme. Be honest with yourselves. We don't go to fast food and markets because its convenient anymore but as our MAIN way to get our food. We should have all the basic foods in our backyard and home to sufficiently feed us and markets should be the add on, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.   ITS ASS BACKWARDS PEOPLE! Again its 2000 fkn 14. We have ipods,ipads,iphones,iWHATEVER! but very little effort is invested in helping us grow our own food more efficiently and conveniently. And cant you see how unhealthy we are getting depending on what should be a convenience? Do you think that if you ate the food you grow in your backyard would make you a fatass? Nope. Nobody said that you have to eat the food you grow mainly. You combine it with things from the market. Its a no brainer. Im repeating myself but again, Food from home should be main source and things from supermarket is for convenience and add on but not as main source of food.

Lets get more detailed. Say we did devoted more money,effort,time into developing technology into helping grow our own foods. People would be hella alot healthy. Say we took this technology to Africa. People would starve less and they have a way to provide for themselves. FKN THINK ABOUT WHY THEY ARE STARVING ya dumb fk!. They have to go to a master to get food. That master is not granting them what they wish for. Now imagine a world where there are less people starving, healthy people walking this earth. Isnt that the ideal world you want to live in? And dont fkn say its unrealistic because it isnt. But it does take awareness and a combine effort. But no one cares at the moment. It sux.


Something is happening in the background if things were done CORRECTLY. Have you guys figured it out yet? NO fkn $$$$$$$ Is being generated! LOL. You efficiently generating your own energy, you growing your own food. That shit don't generate no money for our homeboy uncle TOM! Fk uncle Tom that's all I gotta say. So you see, as long as are dependent the more you "they" have power over you. They are your masters and you are at their knees. And as long as you have a master, one day you will ask for one thing, they might not grant it? What are you to do then?

Shit son, these are the basics to life. Lets be seriouso for a moment. What is happening is that we are paying to live on this earth. It shouldn't be that way really.

So, say we have all the basics of life in order. Do we still need to work? HELL YES! Use your Head! Its not hard! You now have the basics taken care of. No longer do you have to work just to live. But thats what people are doing right? RIGHT! Blah!. Anyways, so now you work to get things that you "want" You have more time and money to do what you want. If buying a nice car is what you want to do with your money then go right fkn ahead! Thats your choice. Its your choice to put yourself in debt. Nobody has any say over that.

Anyways, My message in this is to be aware of whats going on. Im thankful that I was shown this be intelligent people or else I would have been blind myself. Be aware of whats going on and put some effort be it little medium or big into making things the way they should be. Nobody is forcing to to live a certain way of life. But your stupid if you dont think certain doors you take in life leads you to certain places. Peace!

[theory816]

And to address your 2nd paragraph. Im not saying that there for sure exist a SS. But can you honestly say that throughout human history that there has never been a group of people with power who banded together to work against you? Your asking me to place a finger on every single SS and ill be the first to admit that I cant do that. But you have to be understandable as to why I cant do that. I have my reasons to believe that there are people who working to control society. I still have my doubts but there's too many coincidences.  And right here Ive fallen into my own trap. My brother who is a theist, told me that there's too many coincidences that happened to him for god to not exist. I told him that they are just coincidences and that a god does not exist. Hes contributing the coincidences to something higher and that what I am doing with my SS. Im being hypocritical in a way. But God and a SS is two different beast because we are dealing with HUMANS but because people cant point the finger to a actual person, the whole subject in thrown into the back.  Ive decided that the coincidences stop a while back. And you have to also decide for yourself. I know links will usually be overlooked and never clicked but if you have time and nothing to do watch this vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGAaPjqd ... NA&index=7

[Plu]

Food. People go to fast food joints and markets to get their food instead of growing it right? But why? Is it because its more convenient? OK, that's understandable as long as its .............wait for it............... CONVENIENT. Continuing with the "ass backwards" theme. Be honest with yourselves. We don't go to fast food and markets because its convenient anymore but as our MAIN way to get our food. We should have all the basic foods in our backyard and home to sufficiently feed us and markets should be the add on, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.

There are two problems here.

A) I don't have a backyard because I live in the city.
B) I don't have the time to grow my own food even if I did, because I have more important stuff to do.

It's nice to be self supportive, but one of the prices of being self supportive is that you quickly run out of time to do a lot of stuff that you do have time for if you just buy your food from a market.

[theory816]

Food. People go to fast food joints and markets to get their food instead of growing it right? But why? Is it because its more convenient? OK, that's understandable as long as its .............wait for it............... CONVENIENT. Continuing with the "ass backwards" theme. Be honest with yourselves. We don't go to fast food and markets because its convenient anymore but as our MAIN way to get our food. We should have all the basic foods in our backyard and home to sufficiently feed us and markets should be the add on, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.

There are two problems here.

A) I don't have a backyard because I live in the city.
B) I don't have the time to grow my own food even if I did, because I have more important stuff to do.

It's nice to be self supportive, but one of the prices of being self supportive is that you quickly run out of time to do a lot of stuff that you do have time for if you just buy your food from a market.

A.) I dont have the answers but im sure peoples ingenuity will come up with something to address problems like this. I can already come up with a few ideas myself as I type this. I can see a large grow area in a community where you have your own space to grow your food.

B.) You have a choice. Most dont.  And keep in mind why you work. Is it to put food on your table?  

This is false. Being self supportive is not time consuming. With the correct technology everything is easily automated and upkeep is very minimal. The whole point of this is for you to have a choice to be less dependent on others. Theres nothing wrong with buying food from the stores just as long as you have a choice. You can have a master that provides for you but if they master doesnt provide, you need to be able to provide for yourself, that is the point.

[Plu]

A.) I dont have the answers but im sure peoples ingenuity will come up with something to address problems like this. I can already come up with a few ideas myself as I type this. I can see a large grow area in a community where you have your own space to grow your food.

People already do this. It takes up a lot of time, which I don't care to donate to it. I'll just buy my food.

B.) You have a choice. Most dont. And keep in mind why you work. Is it to put food on your table?

I work to put food on my table, a roof over my head, and then with all the money left over after paying for those, I work to make my life fun. That last part is far more important to me than the first, and no amount of self sufficiency is going to get me enough money to do fun things.

This is false. Being self supportive is not time consuming. With the correct technology everything is easily automated and upkeep is very minimal.

But where are you going to get all that technology if you don't have any money? And if you have enough money to buy all that technology, why don't you just use that money to buy food instead of automating your own food production? It'll be a lot cheaper.

The whole point of this is for you to have a choice to be less dependent on others. Theres nothing wrong with buying food from the stores just as long as you have a choice. You can have a master that provides for you but if they master doesnt provide, you need to be able to provide for yourself, that is the point.

If you call your boss a master, you're in the wrong kind of business. This whole self sufficiency talk sounds nice, as long as you're living far from society in a place where land is cheap and you don't really care for all the commodities of modern life. It's not going to fly in a city. Are you being self sufficient right now? Or is this just a lot of talk that even you aren't doing yourself?