Is Freefall Proof of Controlled Demolition?

[Shol'va]

Okay. I hear you. So what are you doing about it all? And do you believe 9/11 is that necessary to illustrate that point, much as it is hotly debated against, as you see here? As an observer I can't help but see better, more immediately observable and testable examples of government corruption or shit for brains elected officials. Yes, I agree, the TSA is security theater.
9/11 inside job. Which authority? Which party? It's all water under the bridge now. How do we apply that moving forward? I have a hard time thinking anyone out there genuinely has no concerns about government

[Plu]

If such is your goal, you've chosen the worst possible way to try and accomplish it.

[AllPurposeAtheist]

If such is your goal, you've chosen the worst possible way to try and accomplish it.

They could always get jobs as preachers preaching to all those choir members.

[Plu]

If such is your goal, you've chosen the worst possible way to try and accomplish it.

They could always get jobs as preachers preaching to all those choir members.

Actually those are accomplishing their goals just fine, it's just that their goals are "obtain power, attention and/or money" :p

[AllPurposeAtheist]

If such is your goal, you've chosen the worst possible way to try and accomplish it.

They could always get jobs as preachers preaching to all those choir members.

Actually those are accomplishing their goals just fine, it's just that their goals are "obtain power, attention and/or money" :p

Well there ya go. What better way to weed out corruption than to have power,  attention & money?  :-"

[Jason78]

And PS, if you think "crashing a plane should be a piece of cake" for a piss poor pilot, HH did not simply "crash a plane."  He executed a very complex manouver that experienced professional pilots would find very difficult.

That doesn't surprise me.  Professional experienced pilots are trained not to crash into things.  I imagine it would be quite difficult to override those trained responses.

[Plu]

It also doesn't surprise me that he was rejected based on "he doesn't seem serious about becoming a good pilot", since that apparently wasn't his goal. :P

[Thumpalumpacus]

And I am not suggesting that anyone else should change their views in regard to jews.  You think what you choose to think about them, I will think what I choose to think about them.  That said, I will not waste any more time discussing my prejudices.

Considering the bearing it has in this discussion, and how it is affecting your analysis, it's pretty pertinent; it is strong evidence of bias.

Wow!  That black box allegedly from AA77 really is one mangled wreck?  Imagine what would happen to something made of paper aboard the same aircraft, like a paper passport for instance.

Yeah.  That FDR couldn't get wafted around free of the inferno and collapsing building.  It could not have gotten separated from the plane as easily, considering that it was bolted into the tail, rather than riding loose in the cockpit when the airplane -- but not its occupants -- came to a sudden stop. I'm told that they sometimes use explosions to blow up buildings (I think even you accept that) -- so I imagine that an explosion could take something both light and possessed of a decent amount of surface area (like a passport) and, you know, push it away from the explosion, preventing its immediate burning.  

The poor FDR was stuck with the plane, stuck in the building, and stuck in a fire that lasted days. And it shows that your claim that these are indestructible is yet another of your claims to go up in smoke.

[AtheistMoFo]

Okay. I hear you. So what are you doing about it all?

Shol'va, your post deserves a proper reply which I do not have time for at the moment.  Will get back to you soon here in this thread ASAP.

Thump, I am not ignoring you, I just don't have time to reply just now.

All others, I will reply to serious posts as soon as I can, but pedantic ravings of mutant teenage ninja hooligans will be ignored.


later 'gators

[The Skeletal Atheist]

So you replied to say that you don't have time to reply? Neat.

[theory816]

So what can we all agree on here? WTC1/2/3 went down, pentagon got hit, thousands died. I believe it is safe to say that everyone agrees on that.

Firstly, the overall bigger picture here that truthers try to present is that a secret society exist. 9/11, Sandy hook, Boston bombing, banking system, all stems out from this SS. Its important that you firstly have to accept the idea that there exists a SS in your government. Without this simple acceptance, it will be hard for you to accept the theory's presented to you.  Ive seen this many times with Theist folks and God. The theist must first accept the idea that there might not be a god FIRST before all logical and reasonable explanations presented by an atheist start to make sense. If you cannot get through that layer nothing you say will work.

You must also have to ask yourself as why the idea of a SS isnt realistic for you. My Gov would neeeever lie to me. They would neeeeever kill their own people for their own personal gains. Its a scary thought yes. Imagine the thought of no God for a Theist. Its also scary for them. So again if you cant penetrate the first layer, nothing will make sense.

Here's what I believe happen on 9/11:
1. A problem is created.___Planes crash_______________
2. Control the perception.______People believe Terrorist did it___________
3. Offer solution.______Invade_____________

 Its a classic technique. Can you guys apply that to sandy hook? Ill help you. 1. Fake a mass shooting. 2. 17y/o gunman is presented as the killer. 3. Take away your guns and rights.

You have to decide for yourself for when the coincidences stop.

Nobody knows what this SS society is up to next but something will come. Its a forecast that something major will happen in the future using the technique above. This time the solution will have to do with chipping people. This is all you need to take from this thread. One you start seeing the pattern, everything will start to make sense. Nobody wants to say I told you so to something like this.

Look at your life right now. We work and work. Most of us will be paying off debt until we die. We pay for our basic needs of survival. Did you know the basic needs are all free? Food can be grown in our backyards, electricity can come from the sun, electric can power our cars. WEED! Weed can be grown in our backyard for free son! But no, we pay good money for something that should be free! How dumb are we? All efforts of supporting these free basic needs have been suppressed. Its an effort to keep you working. To keep you paying debt. To keep you busy and not be able to think and be independent. That is all I have to say. The biggest impact I can have on you is to change myself and then people will start to follow. The SS will only have power as long as you cooperate.

[The Skeletal Atheist]

Everything bad that has ever happened is literally caused by a nefarious secret society.

[theory816]

As long as you dont care, they dont care.

[Plu]

You're free to try and build all these electronic devices you have in your home in your spare time if you like, but for most people it's a given that work generates more resources than growing your own food. I don't know about you, but my standard of living is a lot higher if I go to my dayjob then when I try to grow my own crops and get my hands on those "free" resources (which would be a fulltime job most likely)

If the above is not true for you, you're an idiot for having a job and you should be growing your own food for sure.


Also if you have no idea what the SS' goals are, then there is no way to reliably test if they exist. Same argument applies to god; you can attribute stuff to it but until you can learn of how it works you cannot claim it's actually there. Once you start coming up with goals for your SS you can start looking for proof that they're real. Until then, you're just making more connections and assigning motivations that might not be there.

[Insult to Rocks]

Okay, I feel as though I have to adress this: if the U.S government was willing to cause extreme damage to itself and risk becoming a worldwide pariah, it would need a very good reason. An excuse for invading Iraq is not a good reason. If the U.S was willing to do such an inane and insane ation such as staging the 9/11 attacks, there is absolutely  no reason why we wouldn't have just invaded Iraq during the First Gulf War. All that was holding us back was the coalitions refusal to help. If we needed to, we could have gone it alone.
What I'm saying is, this whole thing, if it was a government conspiracy, seems to be taking a huge and pointless risk.