Is Freefall Proof of Controlled Demolition?

[DunkleSeele]

Those of us who have taken the time to learn a little bit of history know that "all warfare is based on deception."  One such deception is known as the false-flag attack.  Examples of false flag attacks go back to the stone age.  If there is any reason for ruling out the possibility of false flag, I would like to know why?

From the starting point of any analysis, we should not rule out any *plausible* senario.
(Note: anyone who wants to talk about Godzilla or aliens from another galaxy, please fuck off.  Thank you.)

Let us examine three plausible scenarios...

Scenario 1: cave-dwelling jihadists attacked and struck a grave blow on the world's most technologically advanced military without any help from insiders,
Scenario 2: jihadists led by Osama bin Laden planned the whole thing and enlisted the help of a few insiders,
Scenarior 3: it was planned by two or more insiders who enlisted help from jihadist patsies such as former CIA stooge Osama bin Laden.

Which of the above scenarios entails the fewest assumptions?

Scenario 1, we have to assume that the jihadists somehow expected to benefit from the attack.  Assume that they somehow knew the air command would be conducting drills on that particular day and at that time.  Assume 19 men were able to get through airport security with box cutters.  Assume that was only coincidence that airport security at both Logan and Newark was managed by the same israeli company.  Assume the hijackers left flight training manuals in their vehicle because they were doing some last minute cramming before their final test of flying 757s and 767s.  Assume a fireball that vaporized bodies and vaporized aircraft black boxes somehow did not vaporize the passport that fell to the street below.  Assume all of the support columns of Building No. 7 failed due to intense heat at exactly the same instant.  Assume that the two co-chairman of the 9/11 Commission both said the commission was set up to fail because they needed an excuse for their own failures.  Assume it was a coincidence that everything turned out exactly as PNAC had hoped for.  Assume that the summary execution (hit) ordered on Osama bin Laden was the result of Obama's desire to get it over with without further ado (even as goat herders are still being tortured in Guantanamo for their intelligence value).  And there are even more assumptions, let's leave those for another day.

Scenario 2, we only need to assume that a few people in positions of authority wanted the jihadists to succeed.

Scenario 3, we only need to assume that it WAS a false flag operation and that at least a few insiders in positions of authority were in on it.

So, using Occam's Razor, analyze the above.

Cybercommuter, you forgot a fourth scenario: you are a moron. Using Occam's razor, I'm pretty confident it's the most likely one.

[Shiranu]

Scenario 1, we have to assume that the jihadists somehow expected to benefit from the attack.

And your entire premise is automatically irrelevant from there. Perhaps you should stop telling others to study history and do so yourself.

[The Skeletal Atheist]

SA, please use your new found powers to get mofo to knock it off.  =D>

There are some things that even sodomy can't accomplish. If I conjured up a natural disaster to shut him up he would just claim that was a conspiracy too.

[Sargon The Grape]

Those of us who have taken the time to learn a little bit of history know that "all warfare is based on deception."  One such deception is known as the false-flag attack.  Examples of false flag attacks go back to the stone age.  If there is any reason for ruling out the possibility of false flag, I would like to know why?

From the starting point of any analysis, we should not rule out any *plausible* senario.
(Note: anyone who wants to talk about Godzilla or aliens from another galaxy, please fuck off.  Thank you.)

Let us examine three plausible scenarios...

Scenario 1: cave-dwelling jihadists attacked and struck a grave blow on the world's most technologically advanced military without any help from insiders,
Scenario 2: jihadists led by Osama bin Laden planned the whole thing and enlisted the help of a few insiders,
Scenarior 3: it was planned by two or more insiders who enlisted help from jihadist patsies such as former CIA stooge Osama bin Laden.

Which of the above scenarios entails the fewest assumptions?

Scenario 1, we have to assume that the jihadists somehow expected to benefit from the attack.  Assume that they somehow knew the air command would be conducting drills on that particular day and at that time.  Assume 19 men were able to get through airport security with box cutters.  Assume that was only coincidence that airport security at both Logan and Newark was managed by the same israeli company.  Assume the hijackers left flight training manuals in their vehicle because they were doing some last minute cramming before their final test of flying 757s and 767s.  Assume a fireball that vaporized bodies and vaporized aircraft black boxes somehow did not vaporize the passport that fell to the street below.  Assume all of the support columns of Building No. 7 failed due to intense heat at exactly the same instant.  Assume that the two co-chairman of the 9/11 Commission both said the commission was set up to fail because they needed an excuse for their own failures.  Assume it was a coincidence that everything turned out exactly as PNAC had hoped for.  Assume that the summary execution (hit) ordered on Osama bin Laden was the result of Obama's desire to get it over with without further ado (even as goat herders are still being tortured in Guantanamo for their intelligence value).  And there are even more assumptions, let's leave those for another day.

Scenario 2, we only need to assume that a few people in positions of authority wanted the jihadists to succeed.

Scenario 3, we only need to assume that it WAS a false flag operation and that at least a few insiders in positions of authority were in on it.

So, using Occam's Razor, analyze the above.

[MrsSassyPants]

Mofo, do you live in your moms basement?  Nothing against that, but your a psycho. And I figure life and people have dealt you a "bad hand".

[Thumpalumpacus]

Okay, someone needs to say this: if that "cave-dwelling jihadists" comment, along with your previous comments about "infidel machines ", is meant to insinuate that Arabs or Muslims, even the jihadist ones, are ignorant or stupid, you need to stop right now. Seriously, claiming that an entire disparate group is stupid beyond belief is in of itself, stupid beyond belief.

You must have missed his "Jew motherfuckers" comment.  Real winner we have here, obviously qualified to call everyone here irrational.

As I said in that thread, he clearly has an emotional investment in his argument.  That emotional investment is skewing his ability to analyze facts.

[Insult to Rocks]

Oh, I didn't miss it, I just wanted to keep him fairly generic with his statements, and keep him from going full blown anti-Semite again.
Is it sad that I was 4 at the time, yet treat this incident with more logic and respect than someone who is most likely a fully grown adult, at least in the physical capacity?

[AllPurposeAtheist]

SA, please use your new found powers to get mofo to knock it off.  =D>

There are some things that even sodomy can't accomplish. If I conjured up a natural disaster to shut him up he would just claim that was a conspiracy too.

Just go give him a nice, gentle pat on the ass then.  :)

[AtheistMoFo]

Okay, someone needs to say this: if that "cave-dwelling jihadists" comment, along with your previous comments about "infidel machines ", is meant to insinuate that Arabs or Muslims, even the jihadist ones, are ignorant or stupid, you need to stop right now. Seriously, claiming that an entire disparate group is stupid beyond belief is in of itself, stupid beyond belief.

Rocky, are your powers of observation so minimal that you do not even realize my use of terms like "cave dwellers" and "arab muslim jihadists" is just my way of denigrating the Official Conspiracy Theory?  And when I speak of *your* powers of observation, I mean not only you alone but all of you who seem to think this concept was my idea.  Makes me wonder if you even know what the Official Conspiracy Theory you subscribe to really is.  Let me point out a couple of simple facts.

According to the Official Conspiracy Theory, 9/11 was pulled off by a gang of muslims, mostly from Saudi Arabia, and all of them Arabs.  Their motive, according to the OCT, was to carry out jihad, a religious war sanctioned by their god or maybe even commanded by their god.  Therefore, the arab muslim jihadist concept originates not with me, but it is an integral part of the OCT.  So without realizing it, your claims that the term muslim arab jihadist is racist actually reflects back on the OCT, which I agree is racist.

Ditto for cave-dwellers.  According to the OCT, these Saudi Arabian muslim jihadists lived in caves in the mountains of Afghanistan.

At least now I am beginning to understand why so many people believe in the Official Conspiracy Theory despite George W Bush's warning to "never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories, malicious lies that attempt to shift the blame away from the terrorists themselves, away from the guilty."  The reason is that none of you OCT'ers even know what the OCT is all about!  Maybe if you did you would realize how outrageous it really is.  Arab muslim jihadists, mostly from Saudi Arabia, America's strongest ally in the muslim world, hid out in caves in Afghanistan and waged jihad on the the world's only remaining military superpower on 11th September 2001.

But at this point, it has not even begun to get outrageous yet.  The 19 hijackers, according to the OCT, had no insider help.  And yet they picked the exact day and time when NORAD was conducting drills simulating hijacked jetliners suicide diving into landmark buildings, including WTC and Pentagon.  If they had no help from insiders, were they extremely lucky to have picked that day and time?

Normally, whenever any commercial or private jet strays off course, it is intercepted by fighter planes (having top speeds of over 1500 - 1700 miles per hour) within a few minutes.  But on that day, four jetlines flew wildly off course for hours, and never encountered a fighter jet.

Not outrageous enough yet?  Just wait until you hear the part about Hani Hanjour.  His piloting skills were so poor that he was refused when he attempted to rent a single engine propellor plane.  And yet he managed to pull off a decending 330 degree spiral in a 757 which pilots having hundreds of hours flight experience in 757 class planes say is impossible even for the most skilled pilot.  And he bloody well hit the target!  Amazing!  ... or outrageous?

The deeper you go, the more outrageous it gets.

Typically, whenever I make a post, it is followed up by insults to my intelligence and/or meaningless derision and accusations about Godzilla or something equally stupid.  Some people like to quote my entire post, then rather than challenging even one of my facts or my conclusions drawn from the facts, they make some dumb childish remark.

So I ask all of you OCT'ers... please stop making yourselves look stupid.

Either prove my facts wrong, or challenge my conclusions using reason and logic.  If you are incapable of doing that, please retire to the kindergarten page and call me all the names you want over there.


PS:
Download a copy of the Official 9/11 Commission Report if you don't already have a copy in your possession.  The Commission created a separate timeline for each one of the airplanes.  When I first started to analyze the report, I wondered why they made four separate timelines, one for each of the planes.  After extracting each timeline and compiling them into one single consolidated timeline, the answer was clear.

And the rabbit hole goes deeper...

[AllPurposeAtheist]

Just a quick show of hands... How many of you actually read that wall of conspiratorial text?  :-k

[AllPurposeAtheist]

You'd make a much better mad scientist mofo and more interesting for the plot.   :)

[Insult to Rocks]

Okay, someone needs to say this: if that "cave-dwelling jihadists" comment, along with your previous comments about "infidel machines ", is meant to insinuate that Arabs or Muslims, even the jihadist ones, are ignorant or stupid, you need to stop right now. Seriously, claiming that an entire disparate group is stupid beyond belief is in of itself, stupid beyond belief.

Rocky, are your powers of observation so minimal that you do not even realize my use of terms like "cave dwellers" and "arab muslim jihadists" is just my way of denigrating the Official Conspiracy Theory?  And when I speak of *your* powers of observation, I mean not only you alone but all of you who seem to think this concept was my idea.  Makes me wonder if you even know what the Official Conspiracy Theory you subscribe to really is.  Let me point out a couple of simple facts.

According to the Official Conspiracy Theory, 9/11 was pulled off by a gang of muslims, mostly from Saudi Arabia, and all of them Arabs.  Their motive, according to the OCT, was to carry out jihad, a religious war sanctioned by their god or maybe even commanded by their god.  Therefore, the arab muslim jihadist concept originates not with me, but it is an integral part of the OCT.  So without realizing it, your claims that the term muslim arab jihadist is racist actually reflects back on the OCT, which I agree is racist.

Ditto for cave-dwellers.  According to the OCT, these Saudi Arabian muslim jihadists lived in caves in the mountains of Afghanistan.

At least now I am beginning to understand why so many people believe in the Official Conspiracy Theory despite George W Bush's warning to "never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories, malicious lies that attempt to shift the blame away from the terrorists themselves, away from the guilty."  The reason is that none of you OCT'ers even know what the OCT is all about!  Maybe if you did you would realize how outrageous it really is.  Arab muslim jihadists, mostly from Saudi Arabia, America's strongest ally in the muslim world, hid out in caves in Afghanistan and waged jihad on the the world's only remaining military superpower on 11th September 2001.

But at this point, it has not even begun to get outrageous yet.  The 19 hijackers, according to the OCT, had no insider help.  And yet they picked the exact day and time when NORAD was conducting drills simulating hijacked jetliners suicide diving into landmark buildings, including WTC and Pentagon.  If they had no help from insiders, were they extremely lucky to have picked that day and time?

Normally, whenever any commercial or private jet strays off course, it is intercepted by fighter planes (having top speeds of over 1500 - 1700 miles per hour) within a few minutes.  But on that day, four jetlines flew wildly off course for hours, and never encountered a fighter jet.

Not outrageous enough yet?  Just wait until you hear the part about Hani Hanjour.  His piloting skills were so poor that he was refused when he attempted to rent a single engine propellor plane.  And yet he managed to pull off a decending 330 degree spiral in a 757 which pilots having hundreds of hours flight experience in 757 class planes say is impossible even for the most skilled pilot.  And he bloody well hit the target!  Amazing!  ... or outrageous?

The deeper you go, the more outrageous it gets.

Typically, whenever I make a post, it is followed up by insults to my intelligence and/or meaningless derision and accusations about Godzilla or something equally stupid.  Some people like to quote my entire post, then rather than challenging even one of my facts or my conclusions drawn from the facts, they make some dumb childish remark.

So I ask all of you OCT'ers... please stop making yourselves look stupid.

Either prove my facts wrong, or challenge my conclusions using reason and logic.  If you are incapable of doing that, please retire to the kindergarten page and call me all the names you want over there.


PS:
Download a copy of the Official 9/11 Commission Report if you don't already have a copy in your possession.  The Commission created a separate timeline for each one of the airplanes.  When I first started to analyze the report, I wondered why they made four separate timelines, one for each of the planes.  After extracting each timeline and compiling them into one single consolidated timeline, the answer was clear.

And the rabbit hole goes deeper...

1. We know what the official "theory" is, as does anyone with two working brain cells.
2. Hijacking a plane is not that difficult. It has happened countless times in the past. Here's some examples:
//http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_hijackings
3. We've proven that your hole filled "theory" is more unlikely and improbable than the sun setting in the North.
4. Even if everything you said about the official story being untrue was right, that does not automatically dictate that your baseless speculation is the only other way.

[AtheistMoFo]

Just a quick show of hands... How many of you actually read that wall of conspiratorial text?

Point taken.  Thanks for the advice.  Nobody bothers reading my posts, but the strawmen continue to blindly attack without reading.  So from here on, I shall try to limit my posts to sound bytes consisting of around 100 words or less to make it easy for the simple minds of the strawmen with two working brain cells to comprehend.

[Insult to Rocks]

Can you stop being such a condescending jerk for a little bit? I read your post, was not impressed, and I responded. Does that placate you for a little bit, at least?

[baronvonrort]

Building 7...its highly improbable that fires melted all of the columns...and you don't need to remove the base...thermite or any other highly concentrated explosive attached to the columns anywhere near the base would do the trick. Also pictures shown of the columns are cleanly cut. I dont see why you think nutjobs are people who question the official story written by the media (owned by only 5 companies)...not to mention  the report for 9/11 was written behind closed doors.

The fire didnt have to melt the columns all it had to do was heat them up to weaken them and that would reduce the factor of safety the columns had, are the nutjobs ignorant about basic metalwork?

As for thermite i would suggest looking at the many youtube videos and take note of what thermite can do,can it cut a horizontal line in a vertical column, are the nutjobs ignorant about thermite ?

Journalists are always looking for a story to become famous, why are the credible journalists not agreeing with the nutjobs?
Why are mainstream respected journalists ignoring the nutjobs, can you buy shares in these media companies?

You claimed building 7 was unscathed, more ignorance from the nutjobs, watch this youtube video and see how building 7 was damaged.
[youtube:2ihpjzhz]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwdD6ERutEI[/youtube:2ihpjzhz]