Liberals loooooovvvee Islam

[Jorjor]

Me neither. I've yet to find any that would do that would, though. The only people I know who "defend Islam" only defend innocent moderate muslims from horrible things that people want to do to them even though they're not involved with them.

I'm pretty sure no one here condones harassement or discrimination against moderate muslims. Fundie Christians might, since they have their own agendas to push. I certainly don't, so we're already on the same page there.

We don't, we are able however to separate belief from believer amongst other things.

I think people who get their panties in a bunch when people criticize Islam (ISLAM not Muslims) are the ones who can't seem to seperate the two.

[Mister Agenda]

The kids of those chechen immigrants appeared to fit in real well, untill they let off a few bombs in Boston.

The family immigrated in 2002, Tamerlan Tsarnaev would have been fifteen, a little late for Americanization. Sorry if I somehow gave the impression that it's an instantaneous process that wipes out a decade or more of previous acculturation. I was thinking of the children of immigrant parents who were born here or arrived as small children. As I've worked with all ages of immigrant children, I suppose I should have been more explicit that it's more difficult for children over seven or eight to acculturate, and much more difficult for children over 13...though the vast, vast, vast majority seem to never turn into bombers; not even the adults.

Really, the issue of whether you should treat several million people as second class citizens for the crimes of a few is matter of your own view of what's right, and what is likely to result in the least harm for everyone in the long run.

[Jorjor]

I think people who get their panties in a bunch when people criticize Islam (ISLAM not Muslims) are the ones who can't seem to seperate the two.

"Liberals loooooovvvee Islam" is not a discussion title someone who can separate the two would post.

Yes, I did kind of want it to be an attention grabber, lol    If you went back and read my original post rather than focusing so much energy on the title, I think you'd have a better idea of what I'm saying.

[Plu]

I didn't see much difference between the title and the post. They basically scream the exact same thing; inability to seperate the people from the faith.

[lumpymunk]

Anyone that cites Daily Kos pundits as "scholarly articles" is intellectually bankrupt and can be dismissed without effort.

Then why are you responding to my post? Grow the fuck up.

lol Scholarly approach.

[frosty]

I am not a liberal, but in a brief defense of them, they do not love Islam. They do, however, believe that everyone should be free to practice their beliefs without persecution or deportation. Just because you have seen a few dense people bend over backwards for Islam or Muslims does not mean you should label all liberals as dense people that are willing to submit to Islam, because that isn't true. Islam is a superstitious dogmatic old faith that in my view does not belong in the 21st century. But that does not mean it is right to hurt or insult Muslims just because a religion they inherited has objectionable material in it.

[Savior2006]

I'm fairly liberal, and in America at the very least I find myself kind of...what's the word?...sympathetic towards much of the Muslim community. Don't get me wrong. I don't think much of the religion, but the individual people I am generally nicer to in comparison to devout Christians. Not that I'm really mean to Christians, but I can be sarcastic at times and I've criticized their religion to their face, and I've only done that to a Muslim once.

Part of it is that I simply don't have to deal with them as much. Even in Michigan, where the concentration of Muslims is higher in Genessee County and Dearborn, they are a minority. Many also don't want to be portrayed as forcing their religion on others.
That means no Muslims standing outside my campus handing Koran's to people. That means no Muslims handing me tracts saying I'll burn if I don't convert. Generally, they seem to be so busy playing damage control for the psychos in third world countries that they don't have time to be pushy or annoying like a member of the Christian Right.

Speaking of which, Muslims in America generally understand that the Christian Right has less than zero respect for them. All one has to do is look at the average social conservative idiot talking "sharia law" and "Obama the secret Muslim" or Bryan Fischer saying "Islam isn't protected by the 1st Amendment" to understand that. which means most American Muslims vote for Democrats or support the Democrat, which more importantly means they don't vote for Republicans. Once again, it makes me go easy on them.

[Jorjor]

I didn't see much difference between the title and the post. They basically scream the exact same thing; inability to seperate the people from the faith.

Ok...  perhaps I didn't make myself clear enough from the get-go. All I was trying to say in my original post is that at least from my obeservation, there always seems to be more of an uproar when someone either criticizes or pokes fun at ISLAM(particularly among the left) then there is when people do the same to Christianity. (For example, South Park has a crapload of episodes that poke fun at Jesus, people don't bat an eyelid. Yet a couple episodes depicting the prophet Muhammed get plucked off the air or censored. People laugh when Bill Maher makes a Christian joke, but get a bit uncomfotable when he does the same with Islam)  I was simply asking if other people had noticed the same thing and why they thought that was.


It has nothing to do with persecuting,harassing, or taking away the rights of Muslims who live in this country peacefully, so how this whole thing suddenly turned into "Jorjor hates Muslims and wants them all to burn" I have no clue.  PLEASE point to one post in my thread saying that I think that kind of thing okay......

[Atheon]

That's because for the most part, when we (most of us coming from Western countries) criticize Christianity, we're criticizing an aspect of "our" culture, rather than "someone else's" culture. It's kind of like the difference between joking about one's own flaws and joking about someone else's.

[sab]

My  big problem is with the definition of 'Liberal'. The US uses the term like no other country does. I consider myself a liberal because I am pro individual rights.  In the USA Liberal is what we in the rest of world call 'social democrats'. ie like Big Government, Group rights rather than individual rights, speech controls, equality of outcome rather than oppurtunity and last , but not least, an obsession with race and multiculturalism.

I generally despise ideologues because they lie constantly and are prepared to sacrifice any freedom on their need to push their agenda first. Social democrats are a mild form of ideologue but idealogues none the less.

I don;t likle Islam for many reasons. the first is that they behave like the Christian right only far far worse and frankly any form of equivalence is fatous. to compare Salafists to the Westboro baptist church is a joke. Salafist crucify people, they murder and torture children, they butcher gay people, Christians,Jews and the 'wront sort of Muslims.

Westboro just shout 'god hates fags' and pickets Funerals. If you think they have any sort of equivalnce then you are a complete ideological idiot. In fact Westboro show the same level of tolerance as 'moderate Muslims'. Moderate Muslims 'hate fags', Moderate Muslims 'hate jews' Moderate Muslims want Muslims to have special rights. In 'Moderate Muslim' Malaysia where the hate Al Queda Muslims still get special rights. They are entitled to an extra day off work, to get into Univeisty with very poor grades, they will pass as doctors even if they fail the tests. They ban Christians from using 'Allah' as a word for 'god' even though Allah is the word for God in Christian societies right through the middle east.

If White people behaved like Muslims social democrats would hate them The reason Social democrats defend Muslims is because most of them have brown skins and their obsession with 'anti racism' blinds them to everything else.

In the UK, France, The Netherlands, Germany and Scandinavia Muslims have already started attacking the Majority population.  They demand (and get) all manner of special rights. In the UK at the moment Universities are allowing segregation of sexes to appease Muslims. In Sweden they commit almost all rape but of course the state media won;t report iot because... Muslims are special. the same in Norway. In the UK Muslim gangs in well over 10 different towns operated Gangs that sexually exploited English girls. It was known about by the Police and Social workers but they turned a blind eye because they would be accused of racism by...social democrats. It was only because a TV program exposed them and forced the government to act was their any arrests. there are laws in the UK about female genital mutilation but there has never been a prosecution because it is 'racist' to prosecute Muslims.

So yes there is an obsession with Muslims from the left. they give them special rights that they give to no one else.

[Solitary]

Good post sab! You are going to make the forum a more interesting place to be. I'm all for individualism. Solitary

[Hydra009]

The reason Social democrats defend Muslims is because most of them have brown skins and their obsession with 'anti racism' blinds them to everything else.

It might be a good idea to actually read the thread.

[Solitary]

 :-k Solitary

[sab]

The reason Social democrats defend Muslims is because most of them have brown skins and their obsession with 'anti racism' blinds them to everything else.

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It might be a good idea to actually read the thread.

Could you explain?

[Thumpalumpacus]

I'm not afraid of Muslims.  I'm not afraid of being called a liberal, even though it's inapt in my case.  I think anyone who thinks terrorists are representative of 1.6 billion Muslims is not only Islamophobic but also terminally stupid.

While the radicals only make up about 10% of Muslims in the world, there are more than 10 Muslims living near me.  

Source for this number, please -- and define "radical" while you're at it.