President Obama PLANNED Russia-Syria Situation?

Started by Shiranu, September 16, 2013, 04:43:33 AM

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The Whit

Quote from: "josephpalazzo"That cartoon misses the point: The US reaction is not about the civil war in Syria, but the use of poison gas, which not only goes against the chemical weapons convention, it also puts all US troops in danger across the globe, including our allies in that region. No US president, be it Republican or Democrat, will allow it, regardless what the polls are saying.
 
How does Assad gassing his own people endanger our troops?  No US President would allow it?  I do remember a republican sitting on his hands while Saddam gassed THOUSANDS of Kurds.

Quote from: "josephpalazzo"Last time I checked, the world is not a democracy.

So that gives us the authority to make it an autocracy?  

For being "for the worker" you do sound a lot like an elitist scumbag.
"Death can not be killed." -brq

billhilly

QuoteLast time I checked, the world is not a democracy.

No but the US is fairly close and we're collectively sick of our leaders playing sheriff especially in the middle east.  Check the polls.

josephpalazzo

Quote from: "The Whit"
Quote from: "josephpalazzo"That cartoon misses the point: The US reaction is not about the civil war in Syria, but the use of poison gas, which not only goes against the chemical weapons convention, it also puts all US troops in danger across the globe, including our allies in that region. No US president, be it Republican or Democrat, will allow it, regardless what the polls are saying.

How does Assad gassing his own people endanger our troops?  No US President would allow it?  I do remember a republican sitting on his hands while Saddam gassed THOUSANDS of Kurds.

I've already explained this. In case you've forgotten or didn't bother to read: if Syria goes unpunished, every dictator across the globe will arm his country with chemical weapons and use them whenever, thus putting our future troops in danger.  With the Chemical Weapons Convention, more than 80% of chemical weapons have been destroyed. Leaving Syria unpunished would reverse that.  

We do know what happened to Saddam, right?!?

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Quote from: "josephpalazzo"Last time I checked, the world is not a democracy.

QuoteSo that gives us the authority to make it an autocracy?  

For being "for the worker" you do sound a lot like an elitist scumbag.
I have already said that. It's simple logic: if the US withdraws, then that vacuum will be filled by China. I will surmise that you are totally clueless as to how China would behave as the "sheriff". In case you're doubting, check what happens to political dissidents in China. Also, check how China is developping its arm forces since it has become the Number 2 in economic status.  Economic power always translates into military power. What is happening in China is no exception. Talk to the Japanese and find out how worrisome that is to them.  



Quote from: "billhilly"
QuoteLast time I checked, the world is not a democracy.

No but the US is fairly close and we're collectively sick of our leaders playing sheriff especially in the middle east.  Check the polls.


 Once elected, the president doesn't have to run his adminstration according to polls. Besides, you can never satisfy everyone.


The Whit

Quote from: "josephpalazzo"I've already explained this. In case you've forgotten or didn't bother to read: if Syria goes unpunished, every dictator across the globe will arm his country with chemical weapons and use them whenever, thus putting our future troops in danger.  With the Chemical Weapons Convention, more than 80% of chemical weapons have been destroyed. Leaving Syria unpunished would reverse that.
So, we're cool with them having chemical weapons until they use them on the citizens they've been fire-bombing and airstriking for the last two years?  Why didn't Obama push for Assad to hand over his chemical weapons when this started, or before they were used?  This can't be about the CWC, that took place 16 years ago.
QuoteWe do know what happened to Saddam, right?!?
It only took us over 20 years to punish him!  HA!  He gassed the Kurds in 1988 and we went to war with him in 91 for reasons COMPLETELY unrelated.  Even if we did eventually take him out, we put him there in the first place and it cost us nearly 5,000 troops killed plus thousands more seriously wounded.  Could have saved a lot of trouble if we'd have taken his ass out in '91.  Keep making excuses for you almighty leader.

Quote from: "josephpalazzo"I have already said that. It's simple logic: if the US withdraws, then that vacuum will be filled by China. I will surmise that you are totally clueless as to how China would behave as the "sheriff". In case you're doubting, check what happens to political dissidents in China. Also, check how China is developping its arm forces since it has become the Number 2 in economic status.  Economic power always translates into military power. What is happening in China is no exception. Talk to the Japanese and find out how worrisome that is to them.  
I know exactly how China would behave as "Sheriff" because we've given them a pretty good template on how to use your military to stick your nose places it doesn't belong.  And just because I don't want us involved with shit that doesn't concern us doesn't mean I'm suggesting we roll over and die, dumbass.  If Japan is worried about anyone it's North Korea.  Funny how we took Saddam out because we "knew" he had WMDs but N.K. has actually tested nuclear weapons and we just gave them a stern warning.

You know as little about international politics as the man you're trying so desperately to defend.  Keep trying to bail out the Titanic with that bucket.  It'll work eventually, right?

QuoteOnce elected, the president doesn't have to run his adminstration according to polls. Besides, you can never satisfy everyone.

No, but when you only have 30% positive backing for your actions and 50%+ against it makes you look like you're out of touch with your own country on top of the hypocrisy.
"Death can not be killed." -brq

josephpalazzo

Quote from: "The Whit"
Quote from: "josephpalazzo"I've already explained this. In case you've forgotten or didn't bother to read: if Syria goes unpunished, every dictator across the globe will arm his country with chemical weapons and use them whenever, thus putting our future troops in danger.  With the Chemical Weapons Convention, more than 80% of chemical weapons have been destroyed. Leaving Syria unpunished would reverse that.
So, we're cool with them having chemical weapons until they use them on the citizens they've been fire-bombing and airstriking for the last two years?  Why didn't Obama push for Assad to hand over his chemical weapons when this started, or before they were used?  

Maybe you were cool with CW's, but Obama gave a warning to Syria from the beginning of the conflict. Of course a racist like you will skip over that detail.


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QuoteWe do know what happened to Saddam, right?!?
It only took us over 20 years to punish him!  HA!  He gassed the Kurds in 1988 and we went to war with him in 91 for reasons COMPLETELY unrelated.  Even if we did eventually take him out, we put him there in the first place and it cost us nearly 5,000 troops killed plus thousands more seriously wounded.  Could have saved a lot of trouble if we'd have taken his ass out in '91.  Keep making excuses for you almighty leader.

Keep on contradicting yourself. First you're against any military involvement. Now you're saying we should have kicked ass right off from the get-go. I will agree that Bush 1 should have finished the job in 91' and his failure to do so cost the US a lot in lives and money , but can you keep your story straight? Are you FOR military action or AGAINST?


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Quote from: "josephpalazzo"I have already said that. It's simple logic: if the US withdraws, then that vacuum will be filled by China. I will surmise that you are totally clueless as to how China would behave as the "sheriff". In case you're doubting, check what happens to political dissidents in China. Also, check how China is developping its arm forces since it has become the Number 2 in economic status.  Economic power always translates into military power. What is happening in China is no exception. Talk to the Japanese and find out how worrisome that is to them.  

I know exactly how China would behave as "Sheriff" because we've given them a pretty good template on how to use your military to stick your nose places it doesn't belong.  And just because I don't want us involved with shit that doesn't concern us doesn't mean I'm suggesting we roll over and die, dumbass.  If Japan is worried about anyone it's North Korea.  Funny how we took Saddam out because we "knew" he had WMDs but N.K. has actually tested nuclear weapons and we just gave them a stern warning.

Yes, N. Korea is a problem, OTOH a China arming itself is exponentially bigger. You're comparing a housefly to a tiger. Get some perspective.

QuoteYou know as little about international politics as the man you're trying so desperately to defend.  Keep trying to bail out the Titanic with that bucket.  It'll work eventually, right?

Again, your comprehension skills must be at the level of a 5-year old. I'm not defending Obama, I'm exposing your racism.

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QuoteOnce elected, the president doesn't have to run his adminstration according to polls. Besides, you can never satisfy everyone.

No, but when you only have 30% positive backing for your actions and 50%+ against it makes you look like you're out of touch with your own country on top of the hypocrisy.

Why don't you point out the hypocrisy of your favorite party - the GOP is planning to shut down the government even though less than 24% agree with that?!??! So according to you, the GOP can ignore the polls, but the black guy in the oval office is a no-good incompetent who by ignoring the polls doesn't care for the American people. Your racism has been duely noted.

Shiranu

QuoteIt only took us over 20 years to punish him! HA! He gassed the Kurds in 1988 and we went to war with him in 91 for reasons COMPLETELY unrelated.

And the Iranians... who we provided Saddam with information on their troop movement and locations and turned a blind eye on.

QuoteOf course a racist like you will skip over that detail.

Oh, get the fuck over yourself.
"A little science distances you from God, but a lot of science brings you nearer to Him." - Louis Pasteur

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The Whit

Quote from: "josephpalazzo"Maybe you were cool with CW's, but Obama gave a warning to Syria from the beginning of the conflict. Of course a racist like you will skip over that detail.
The conflict started around June of 2011 and B.O. didn't say shit about CWs until August 20th of 2012.  Yeah, he waited a full year after the conflict began to say anything about chemical weapons and didn't try to get them out of Assad's hands before he used them.  

QuoteKeep on contradicting yourself. First you're against any military involvement. Now you're saying we should have kicked ass right off from the get-go. I will agree that Bush 1 should have finished the job in 91' and his failure to do so cost the US a lot in lives and money , but can you keep your story straight? Are you FOR military action or AGAINST?
I'm not totally against military action except when it is unwarranted.  I'm also against half assed military action that only creates more problems to fix down the road.  You can't just drop bombs on people without repercussion.

Quote from: "josephpalazzo"Yes, N. Korea is a problem, OTOH a China arming itself is exponentially bigger. You're comparing a housefly to a tiger. Get some perspective.
The way the US is borrowing money from them China will be the world superpower soon anyhow.  If they can lend us hundreds of billions and still close the military gap between us, who is the real economic powerhouse?

QuoteAgain, your comprehension skills must be at the level of a 5-year old. I'm not defending Obama, I'm exposing your racism.
Literally the only person in this ENTIRE THREAD that ever brought up anything about race is you.  So, shut the fuck up about racism.

QuoteWhy don't you point out the hypocrisy of your favorite party - the GOP...
I knew you were a two party nit-wit.  Just because I'm not a Derpacrat doesn't mean I'm a Republitard.  Just another example of an asinine baseless assumption from you.  

Quoteis planning to shut down the government even though less than 24% agree with that?!??! So according to you, the GOP can ignore the polls
No, according to republicans...
Quote, but the black guy in the oval office is a no-good incompetent who by ignoring the polls doesn't care for the American people. Your racism has been duely noted.
Let me know when you want to debate me and not the GOP strawman you got from MSNBC.  I'll be waiting.  I won't hold my breath though.
"Death can not be killed." -brq

josephpalazzo

Quote from: "The Whit"
Quote from: "josephpalazzo"Maybe you were cool with CW's, but Obama gave a warning to Syria from the beginning of the conflict. Of course a racist like you will skip over that detail.

The conflict started around June of 2011 and B.O. didn't say shit about CWs until August 20th of 2012.  Yeah, he waited a full year after the conflict began to say anything about chemical weapons

There was no need to do anything or say anything until there were rumours that Assad might use CW's, and that's when he sent a warning. So now because Obama doesn't have a crystal ball to see in the future, he is to be blamed. Sure, another instance of showing your racism.  


Quoteand didn't try to get them out of Assad's hands before he used them.

So according to you, on day 1 of the conflict, when Syrians went out into the street to protest and demanding changes, before Assad even started firing on those protesters, you are saying Obama should have bombed Assad right from the get-go? Again, only a racist like you would propose such an insane scenario to blame the black guy in the oval office.  How low can you go with your racism in order to blame the black guy in the oval office?



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QuoteKeep on contradicting yourself. First you're against any military involvement. Now you're saying we should have kicked ass right off from the get-go. I will agree that Bush 1 should have finished the job in 91' and his failure to do so cost the US a lot in lives and money , but can you keep your story straight? Are you FOR military action or AGAINST?
I'm not totally against military action except when it is unwarranted.  I'm also against half assed military action that only creates more problems to fix down the road.  You can't just drop bombs on people without repercussion.

That's kind of hypocritical on your part as nothing the black guy in the oval office can ever do will satify you. It's either he's too late, or he hasn't done enough, or it's too much and he's a warmonger. IOW, according to you, Obama is a loser no matter what he does. And then you are puzzled when someone like me calls out our blatant racism. Duh!



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QuoteAgain, your comprehension skills must be at the level of a 5-year old. I'm not defending Obama, I'm exposing your racism.
Literally the only person in this ENTIRE THREAD that ever brought up anything about race is you.  So, shut the fuck up about racism.

No, I'm not going to shut up. Your racism has to be pointed out and be denounced. Is that clear?

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QuoteWhy don't you point out the hypocrisy of your favorite party - the GOP...
I knew you were a two party nit-wit.  Just because I'm not a Derpacrat doesn't mean I'm a Republitard.  Just another example of an asinine baseless assumption from you.  

It's not an assumption: you talk like a racist GOP, you think like a racist GOP, and you voted for that racist party.

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Quote, but the black guy in the oval office is a no-good incompetent who by ignoring the polls doesn't care for the American people. Your racism has been duely noted.
Let me know when you want to debate me and not the GOP strawman you got from MSNBC.  I'll be waiting.  I won't hold my breath though.

 :Hangman:

Shiranu

You're not pointing out people a racist, you're pointing out you are an idiot.

I think you sir are the racist; that because a man is black, everyone must disagree with him only and only for his skin colour. That's pretty damn racist, bro. Added ontop of the fact you are the only person in here talking about his skin colour, and infact seem to be fixating on it... sorry, pretty sure you are the racist here.
"A little science distances you from God, but a lot of science brings you nearer to Him." - Louis Pasteur

Jason Harvestdancer

According to josephpalazzo, anyone who criticizes Obama does so because the person making the criticism does so out of racism.  So I offer up this choice quote by josephpalazzo from this thread.  It is criticism.  Therefore the reason for making that criticism must be racism.

Quote from: "josephpalazzo"Anyone who sees Obama as a liberal must be a fucking moron. Reagan was more to the left than Obama. Get real.
White privilege is being a lifelong racist, then being sent to the White House twice because your running mate is a minority.<br /><br />No Biden, no KKK, no Fascist USA!

The Whit

Quote from: "josephpalazzo"Sure, another instance of showing your racism.
QuoteAgain, only a racist like you would propose such an insane scenario to blame the black guy in the oval office.  How low can you go with your racism in order to blame the black guy in the oval office?
QuoteThat's kind of hypocritical on your part as nothing the black guy in the oval office can ever do will satify you...And then you are puzzled when someone like me calls out our blatant racism. Duh!
QuoteYour racism has to be pointed out and be denounced.
QuoteIt's not an assumption: you talk like a racist GOP, you think like a racist GOP, and you voted for that racist party.
"It's not an assumption" followed by three erroneous assumptions.
Quotebut the black guy in the oval office is a no-good incompetent who by ignoring the polls doesn't care for the American people. Your racism has been duely noted.
Keep destroying what little credibility you may have ever had.  =D>   :popcorn:  :rollin:
"Death can not be killed." -brq

Jason Harvestdancer

There does come a point where overuse of the racist card portrays the one using it instead of the intended target as the real racist.
White privilege is being a lifelong racist, then being sent to the White House twice because your running mate is a minority.<br /><br />No Biden, no KKK, no Fascist USA!

The Whit

Quote from: "Jason_Harvestdancer"There does come a point where overuse of the racist card portrays the one using it instead of the intended target as the real racist.
At the very least it is an attempt by the accuser to distract his opponent from the fact that the accuser doesn't have a rational rebuttal.  I which case I think it is fair to say that carrying on this discussion would be fruitless.
"Death can not be killed." -brq