Scientists are causing Creationism (and the like)!

[mediumaevum]

You can't expect people to want to travel abroad for $50000 with the risk of getting ridiculed.

You can't expect researchers to travel all around the world when they already know what the result of the test is going to be. Also, $50.000 is peanuts. The James Randi foundation offers a million dollars.

http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html

But, unsurpisingly,

To date, no one has passed the preliminary tests.

It's not that researchers don't want to do the research; it's that there's nothing there to research. And again; the research you want has been done, I showed you the researcher, and the results were as to be expected: nobody saw anything.

Thank you very much for the information.

Question:
Why did it take a whole thread of prejudice, hatred and name-calling to figure out that such a comment that you just made, was the only neccessary to counter my Original Post?

Why?

Do people here just love to ridicule people, instead of going straight forward to the answer, with link, source citation and propper information?

[Icarus]

Question:
Why did it take a whole thread of prejudice, hatred and name-calling to figure out that such a comment that you just made, was the only neccessary to counter my Original Post?

Why?

Do people here just love to ridicule people, instead of going straight forward to the answer, with link, source citation and propper information?

Someones in denial.

It seems to me that authors of scientific journals are simply too lazy.

[Plu]

Mostly because your opening post contained a lot of bullshit.

If you'd worded it like a proper question and approached it with an attitude of "I want to learn something" instead of the current load of crap about scientists trying to make people ignorant, you would've gotten this post as probably the first answer.

Instead you go off on a rant about lazy scientists not properly sourcing their stuff and daring to ask money for their work along with the completely nonsensical idea that it's the fault of scientists that dumb people refuse to use their brain.

And so you get the kind of response you'd expect from such a topic.

[Plu]

And before you try to bullshit your way out of this, reread your opening post. There is literally not a single questionmark in it. But it's peppered with exlamation marks.

That doesn't make you come across as someone who is only looking to have a question answered.

[mediumaevum]

Question:
Why did it take a whole thread of prejudice, hatred and name-calling to figure out that such a comment that you just made, was the only neccessary to counter my Original Post?

Why?

Do people here just love to ridicule people, instead of going straight forward to the answer, with link, source citation and propper information?

Someones in denial.

It seems to me that authors of scientific journals are simply too lazy.

Please read my OP. No, better, I will quote directly from my own OP where this particular sentence applied to:

Too many times, I have come across scientific or semi-scientific articles and books, refering to other litterature without specifying the page number or specific chapter where the source of the claim made in the article has its origin. Actually, worse yet it is too common for scientists to simply state the authors, not the book!!!

That's what I meant by lazy. This is evident here:

I have many books written by universities, and virtually all their sources only state the respective authors. While I do know where some of the actual sources are refered to in the end (ie. which books, articles etc.) it is an irritating problem that persists: That I have to Google the authors and spend time finding the specific books or articles.

It seems to me that authors of scientific journals are simply too lazy.

There's no denial.

[mediumaevum]

Mostly because your opening post contained a lot of bullshit.

If you'd worded it like a proper question and approached it with an attitude of "I want to learn something" instead of the current load of crap about scientists trying to make people ignorant, you would've gotten this post as probably the first answer.

Instead you go off on a rant about lazy scientists not properly sourcing their stuff and daring to ask money for their work along with the completely nonsensical idea that it's the fault of scientists that dumb people refuse to use their brain.

And so you get the kind of response you'd expect from such a topic.

Sorry, but I tried the question mark-thing in real life many times in my life, last time towards a teacher about a math problem when I was studying a little math many years ago. Ever since his reply ("You are not ready for this yet!"), I have stated that I would never ever ask a question about science in a "question-way", but make a statement of my own, that other people (scientists) would have to attack by proving me wrong.

So far, that's the only way I found working for me to get the answers I need.

[Icarus]

Too many times, I have come across scientific or semi-scientific articles and books, refering to other litterature without specifying the page number or specific chapter where the source of the claim made in the article has its origin. Actually, worse yet it is too common for scientists to simply state the authors, not the book!!!

That's because scientists don't cite books, they site research papers. If you can find me a research paper where the author has only sited the person who did the research and not the paper I will personally write to the journal and inform them of that error.

I have many books written by universities, and virtually all their sources only state the respective authors. While I do know where some of the actual sources are refered to in the end (ie. which books, articles etc.) it is an irritating problem that persists: That I have to Google the authors and spend time finding the specific books or articles.

It seems to me that authors of scientific journals are simply too lazy.

Universities don't write books. People write textbooks, which are very different from research papers. Textbooks usually only cite the person because the experiment is so well known that anyone can google the author and easily find a list of his research papers. Inserting huge citations into textbooks is a waste of time because those experiments can be found very easily.

There's no denial.

You're right, it's ignorance not denial. If you didn't understand there was a difference between a textbook and a research paper you should have started the thread with an open mind instead of assuming you had all the answers.

[josephpalazzo]

You can't expect people to want to travel abroad for $50000 with the risk of getting ridiculed.

You can't expect researchers to travel all around the world when they already know what the result of the test is going to be. Also, $50.000 is peanuts. The James Randi foundation offers a million dollars.

http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html

But, unsurpisingly,

To date, no one has passed the preliminary tests.

It's not that researchers don't want to do the research; it's that there's nothing there to research. And again; the research you want has been done, I showed you the researcher, and the results were as to be expected: nobody saw anything.

Thank you very much for the information.

Question:
Why did it take a whole thread of prejudice, hatred and name-calling to figure out that such a comment that you just made, was the only neccessary to counter my Original Post?

Why?

Do people here just love to ridicule people, instead of going straight forward to the answer, with link, source citation and propper information?

Again you are generalizing. I did not insult you in any of my posts, and I gave two links - one on brain activities during NDE, and a second one on the cultural content of NDE.

[Plu]

If you're intentionally being a dick instead of just asking us what you want to know, don't go and cry about the fact that we're treating you like the dick you're acting like.

You get the same treatment as any other person who comes here making "statements" and not asking questions; ridicule.

[mediumaevum]

If you're intentionally being a dick instead of just asking us what you want to know, don't go and cry about the fact that we're treating you like the dick you're acting like.

You get the same treatment as any other person who comes here making "statements" and not asking questions; ridicule.

Please provide me with information on what I can do to avoid ridicule in the future on this forum, if I have questions to science!
You say I should ask questions with a question mark instead of making statements. Anything else?

I don't want to be ridiculed...

[Plu]

I'm pretty sure that if you stick with asking genuine questions and accepting reasonable answers, you'll do just fine.
(No guaruantuees that you won't occasionally get some ridicule, I can't control the reactions of others, but I always answer genuine questions with real and open answers.)

[josephpalazzo]

If you're intentionally being a dick instead of just asking us what you want to know, don't go and cry about the fact that we're treating you like the dick you're acting like.

You get the same treatment as any other person who comes here making "statements" and not asking questions; ridicule.

Please provide me with information on what I can do to avoid ridicule in the future on this forum, if I have questions to science!
You say I should ask questions with a question mark instead of making statements. Anything else?

I don't want to be ridiculed...

Don't respond to those who are insulting you. Ignore them and you'll do fine.

[Sargon The Grape]

Question:
Why did it take a whole thread of prejudice, hatred and name-calling to figure out that such a comment that you just made, was the only neccessary to counter my Original Post?

Why?

Do people here just love to ridicule people, instead of going straight forward to the answer, with link, source citation and propper information?

You know, you're really one to talk after speaking to, what, four or five people (most of whom were actually answering your questions and getting annoyed when you disregarded or ignored their answers), and then declaring everyone on this forum to be an asshole.

[Johan]

But frankly, I don't like being spoken to the way you folks do it in here.

You get what you give.

[missingnocchi]

religious zealots gets stronger and stronger in politics

Religious zealots are weaker in politics now than ever before in history, unless you're in the former Soviet bloc.