Laws behind pregnancy.

[Colanth]

Well point which you failed to understand Mr.clown is that Forums for atheists isn't because of in Texas you cant find friends and you want some company
but its because to discuss different political stance and point out when it's discriminates against people.

Nope.  It's to discuss things of interest to atheists, within the bounds of the rules of the particular forum.

Someone who says doesn't matter we cant change a thing is not belong here

Unless the people who run the forum decide that he does belong here.

you don't get my respect when you do not respect me enough to read my OP and other posts but just jumping like a lunatic  and insulting me

Oh, there's your mistake right there.  You think that you deserve some kind of respect, a priori.  Here, you EARN respect.  You can also LOSE respect.  And you're doing a lot more of the latter than the former.

Until you make your argument for [s:1r9cbb3q]us[/s:1r9cbb3q] me to analyze it and discuss it your point of view will be just as important to me as your new cats.

FIFY

(I'm not getting involved in the original argument, just in your way of conducting it.)

[Colanth]

Six pages talking with a spod who doesn't get any but is paranoid over having to pay child support anyway.

I believe someone told you; When you don't have anything to say don't say anything at all
I am sick and tired of clowns not knowing what is it that they are talking about

You're always free to never come back here again, if you don't like the way this forum runs.

[Alex Shouwls]

Six pages talking with a spod who doesn't get any but is paranoid over having to pay child support anyway.

I believe someone told you; When you don't have anything to say don't say anything at all
I am sick and tired of clowns not knowing what is it that they are talking about

You're always free to never come back here again, if you don't like the way this forum runs.

I am sorry do you have a mental problems? :-k

[Aroura33]

The original poster remains mostly incoherent, but I do agree with some of what Plu has stated earlier in the thread.  There is a strange double standard, men need to take responsibility for the outcome of sex, but women can have an abortion? It IS a double standard in society that women can opt out of all responsibility (asside from risky  medical complications; nothing is ever equal is it?), but men get no option to opt out.  The stuff on here about men taking responsibility for making a baby....if you applied that to the woman, it would all be pro-life anti-abortion arguments.  But none of you that I am aware of have that stance, so I find it odd.  

I in no way think a man should have any say over the pregnancy of a woman, no matter his involvement of getting to that state. However, I do think there should be ways for men to opt out of parental rights and responsibilities...their version of choosing abortion, I guess.  
Just ideas here, but something like after a woman finds out she is pregnant, she must inform the father (and he can choose to be tested if he denies it), and he would have a limited amount of time to decide if he wants to be "have the kid" or not, just like the woman does.  If he opts out, he looses all rights to that child for all time.

there would always be issues and details to hammer out, such as if the woman could not locate the man in time, but I'm not suggesting a fix for every problem, just thinking we should indeed recognize this inequality, and make attempts to rectify it.

Everything else the OP has said is insulting, incorrect and crazy, so mostly, I'm just agreeing with Plu on this.

[Sargon The Grape]

I in no way think a man should have any say over the pregnancy of a woman, no matter his involvement of getting to that state. However, I do think there should be ways for men to opt out of parental rights and responsibilities...their version of choosing abortion, I guess.  

If I recall correctly, some states have begun using what's known as a "paper abortion" that pretty much does exactly this.

[Alex Shouwls]

The original poster remains mostly incoherent, but I do agree with some of what Plu has stated earlier in the thread.  There is a strange double standard, men need to take responsibility for the outcome of sex, but women can have an abortion? It IS a double standard in society that women can opt out of all responsibility (asside from risky  medical complications; nothing is ever equal is it?), but men get no option to opt out.  The stuff on here about men taking responsibility for making a baby....if you applied that to the woman, it would all be pro-life anti-abortion arguments.  But none of you that I am aware of have that stance, so I find it odd.  

I in no way think a man should have any say over the pregnancy of a woman, no matter his involvement of getting to that state. However, I do think there should be ways for men to opt out of parental rights and responsibilities...their version of choosing abortion, I guess.  
Just ideas here, but something like after a woman finds out she is pregnant, she must inform the father (and he can choose to be tested if he denies it), and he would have a limited amount of time to decide if he wants to be "have the kid" or not, just like the woman does.  If he opts out, he looses all rights to that child for all time.

there would always be issues and details to hammer out, such as if the woman could not locate the man in time, but I'm not suggesting a fix for every problem, just thinking we should indeed recognize this inequality, and make attempts to rectify it.

Everything else the OP has said is insulting, incorrect and crazy, so mostly, I'm just agreeing with Plu on this.

Well you are entitled of your opinion and you can spray unjust criticism all over the forum
But that doesn't mean that you have pointed out list one post which is offensive or crazy
it might be in bad grammar, but offensive?
and please if you are offended by word vegina then build an ark,seal on five oceans and wait until humans die out 8-[

[Alex Shouwls]

I am open to idea to debate this threw skype
If we would have list 3 person against the motion, and 2 person for the motion, then we could work this out, cant we now?
please post, if you are willing to debate this over skype and what is your position
I am pro the motion and i am willing to debate.
if we have enough people we should exchange skype ids and then,see where will that get us 8-)

[Plu]

The original poster remains mostly incoherent, but I do agree with some of what Plu has stated earlier in the thread. There is a strange double standard, men need to take responsibility for the outcome of sex, but women can have an abortion? It IS a double standard in society that women can opt out of all responsibility (asside from risky medical complications; nothing is ever equal is it?), but men get no option to opt out. The stuff on here about men taking responsibility for making a baby....if you applied that to the woman, it would all be pro-life anti-abortion arguments. But none of you that I am aware of have that stance, so I find it odd.

Thanks Aurora. This was pretty much what I was going to post as well.

[Johan]

You're always free to never come back here again, if you don't like the way this forum runs.

I am sorry do you have a mental problems? :-k

Insulting the moderators. That always works out well.

[Mermaid]

I am open to idea to debate this threw skype
If we would have list 3 person against the motion, and 2 person for the motion, then we could work this out, cant we now?
please post, if you are willing to debate this over skype and what is your position
I am pro the motion and i am willing to debate.
if we have enough people we should exchange skype ids and then,see where will that get us 8-)

Oh yes, please sign me up. I'd love nothing more than to skype with you! It'd be fun. You seem like such an open-minded, rational person.

[surly74]

take it for what it's worth it is West Virginia but

http://www.newsandsentinel.com/page/con ... l?nav=5061

[Alex Shouwls]

I am open to idea to debate this threw skype
If we would have list 3 person against the motion, and 2 person for the motion, then we could work this out, cant we now?
please post, if you are willing to debate this over skype and what is your position
I am pro the motion and i am willing to debate.
if we have enough people we should exchange skype ids and then,see where will that get us 8-)

Oh yes, please sign me up. I'd love nothing more than to skype with you! It'd be fun. You seem like such an open-minded, rational person.

I dont get it you are an idiot who said man shouldn't have rights, when you cant make argument against it
but i am not open-minded?
I am wasting my time on this clowns
Idiots like you, only work on what ever standard is
second you hear words which you have been brainwashed to see it as not okay
you are not checking what is a rest of an argument.
like here

You are right. I think this person is unbelievable. That is what I have to say about that.
I agree that it should be a decision between the two parents in a perfect world, but ultimately it's up to the woman since it's her body. That is just biology, and the consequence of having sex.

you are the clown who wrote that and you have a nerve to call me ignorant?I am telling you last time you have a sand in your vegina. Instead  of acting like a clown here, you better get That checked.

[Alex Shouwls]

take it for what it's worth it is West Virginia but

http://www.newsandsentinel.com/page/con ... l?nav=5061

surly they are talking about ex-wife
we are talking about accidental pregnancy

[SGOS]

take it for what it's worth it is West Virginia but

http://www.newsandsentinel.com/page/con ... l?nav=5061

LOL  West Virginia or not, I got a laugh out of that one.  Well no, not exactly.  I suppose West Virginia has a lot to do with it being funny.

[surly74]

Alex: did you actually read the article?

Keefe alleges two years after he divorced his ex-wife, he discovered he was not the father of the couple's youngest son.

"Just before our divorce was finalized I was told I should have a DNA test performed. I was told there was zero-percent chance I was his biological father," he stated on the video. Caroline Keefe, Sean's wife, provided The News and Sentinel copies of the test results.

Under West Virginia laws, Sean Keefe is financially bound to support the child. The man who fathered the child bears no responsibility.

"Any child born under your marriage is your responsibility," Caroline Keefe said.

"Sean is not trying to get out of paying child support, but he feels that a man has a right to get out of paying child support if he is not his child's father."

if you are going to have an accidental pregancy guys, do it in West Virginia and make sure it's a married woman.