Sick of the Royal Baby Already?

[hillbillyatheist]

I don't give a fuck. but news like this and Justin Beiber peeing in a mop bucket while cursing Clinton still manage to get through to me because that shit is everywhere on every news site, facebook and forum.


no matter where you go its there and I wind up learning about it.


I wish real news were like that.

how many people know about this stupid baby or some other pointless bullshit vs important things like how hospitals rig pricing, or how the banks have laundered money to Al Quida?


fuck the royal family.

[Shiranu]

Absolutely fucking sick of it. They are simply welfare queens. I don't know who is worse, that family, or the idiots who pay taxes to support them.

RICH PEOPLE FUCK, IN OTHER NEWS SO THE FUCK WHAT!

And the west wonders why oil companies pay no taxes?

I guess we have different interpretations of "Welfare queens"... someone who pays taxes, millions in charities and astronomical sums in tourism revenue are hardly "welfare queens".

I guess zoos and museums are also welfare queens... call me crazy, but I'm a liberal/progressive who doesn't just hate people because they are rich.

[hillbillyatheist]

Shiranu, I don't hate people for being rich.

but I do hate people that didn't earn it.

the queen is rich because she was born into the royal family.

She didn't do anything to earn it like Steve Jobs or Bill Gates did.

[Shiranu]

And that's a reason to hate people who donate millions to charity, contribute astronomical numbers in tourism, pay taxes, continue a cultural tradition that goes back over 1500 years and who from all accounts seem to be very nice people with their head's screwed on straight?

And why does Steve Jobs deserve respect? Apple is notorious for the bad conditions at their factories in China. He often thought that charity was a waste of time. He had some questionable beliefs on alternative medicine.

Sorry, but the BRF contributes just as much, if not more, to British society than Steve Jobs ever did, and they didn't have to do it with the help of sweat shops in China (Nowadays, mind you... not saying the Royalty didn't do bad shit back when they were in power).

[Plu]

I like to judge people by how much they accomplish for others vs how much they are given to work with. It lets me appreciate people like the british crown (born rich but trying to do good), bill gates (born poor, selfmade billionaire, and also trying to do good) as well as dislike various people, both born rich, become rich, or still poor who have the means and don't use it properly.

Far better to judge people by their actions compared to their means than just their means alone.

[hillbillyatheist]

I am glad the queen gives some of her money (that she obtains from her british subjects) to good causes.

But I am firmly opposed to monarchies.

Even if her power is mostly symbolic.

what is it a symbol of?

dictatorships?

that some people are better than others because of their bloodlines?

fuck the royalty.

[Shiranu]

what is it a symbol of?

The will and strength of the British people, an institution that goes back 1500 years and united various tribes into one greater whole, rulers that protected the Isles from foreign invaders, rulers that expanded the borders of Britain to the point that the sun never set on the British Empire.

that some people are better than others because of their bloodlines?

And we don't have that in non-monarchies?

Ever heard of the Clintons? The Kardashians? The Bushes? The Trumps, the Hiltons, the Kennedys'?

That's a human thing, that has nothing to do with monarchy.

[Shiranu]

Okay, some mathematics time...

The Sovereign Grant funding system, which covers the royal costs, has been set at £36.1 million for the 2013-14 financial year.

So, the royal costs is roughly 36.1 million pounds this coming year.

The Crown Estate is one of the largest property owners in the United Kingdom, with holdings of £7.3 billion in 2011.[4] It is held in trust, and cannot be sold or owned by the Sovereign in a private capacity.[5] In modern times, the profits surrendered from the Crown Estate have exceeded the Civil List and Grants-in-Aid.[2] For example, the Crown Estate produced £200 million for the Treasury in the financial year 2007–8, whereas reported parliamentary funding for the monarch was £40 million during the same period.[6]

That is a 5 to 1 ratio in 2007-8 on money produced vs money expended.

Now, add on top of that tourist revenue that is harder to track. I'm sorry, you can hate them all you want... but if you call them welfare queens, leeches, that they are "exploiting the tax payer"... you are simply dead wrong.

[hillbillyatheist]

what is it a symbol of?

The will and strength of the British people, an institution that goes back 1500 years and united various tribes into one greater whole, rulers that protected the Isles from foreign invaders, rulers that expanded the borders of Britain to the point that the sun never set on the British Empire.

yes lets celebrate imperialism.

The British can celebrate all that stuff without elevating one family above everybody else.

We do. We rally around our flag. We pledge allegiance to our country. We don't elevate one family by birthright above the rest of us.

that some people are better than others because of their bloodlines?

And we don't have that in non-monarchies?

Ever heard of the Clintons? The Kardashians? The Bushes? The Trumps, the Hiltons?

That's a human thing, that has nothing to do with monarchy.

1. I think celebrity worship is just as asinine.

2. the state doesn't make you pay tributes or taxes or pledge loyalty to any of these people.

3. at least most of our Celebrities get famous mostly because of shit they do, not just because of some bloodline. (excluding examples like Megan Mccain or Caroline Kennedy and such anyway) though its still asinine to put these people on a pedestal.

[hillbillyatheist]

Okay, some mathematics time...

The Sovereign Grant funding system, which covers the royal costs, has been set at £36.1 million for the 2013-14 financial year.

So, the royal costs is roughly 36.1 million pounds this coming year.

The Crown Estate is one of the largest property owners in the United Kingdom, with holdings of £7.3 billion in 2011.[4] It is held in trust, and cannot be sold or owned by the Sovereign in a private capacity.[5] In modern times, the profits surrendered from the Crown Estate have exceeded the Civil List and Grants-in-Aid.[2] For example, the Crown Estate produced £200 million for the Treasury in the financial year 2007–8, whereas reported parliamentary funding for the monarch was £40 million during the same period.[6]

That is a 5 to 1 ratio in 2007-8 on money produced vs money expended.

Now, add on top of that tourist revenue that is harder to track. I'm sorry, you can hate them all you want... but if you call them welfare queens, leeches, that they are "exploiting the tax payer"... you are simply dead wrong.

good if its so profitable, thanks to tourism, than end any government support of it.

Disneyland doesn't require government subsidies to get by.

[Brian37]

Absolutely fucking sick of it. They are simply welfare queens. I don't know who is worse, that family, or the idiots who pay taxes to support them.

RICH PEOPLE FUCK, IN OTHER NEWS SO THE FUCK WHAT!

And the west wonders why oil companies pay no taxes?

I guess we have different interpretations of "Welfare queens"... someone who pays taxes, millions in charities and astronomical sums in tourism revenue are hardly "welfare queens".

I guess zoos and museums are also welfare queens... call me crazy, but I'm a liberal/progressive who doesn't just hate people because they are rich.

Stop, where did I ever say I hate all wealthy people? I hate worship of wealth blindly or worship of anything, celebrity, political party, race or religion or nationaliy, blindly ANYTHING.

Right, the Royal family are simply high paid zoo exhibits, but they are also welfare queens. The empire their ancestors created was not born out of democracy. It was started by the "divine right of kings BY FORCE". Now, if they are mere figure heads, then they are NOT a necessity to the survival of Britain. The palaces could still be Museums without people living in them and tours could still be given. The money saved by not supporting their salaries could be used for creating jobs and cheaper higher education. They have economic problems too, and much of that could be solved if the money sucked out of the tax payers to support them stayed in the tax payers hands.


They are merely a tourist draw, so what? I don't want the Mormon Tabernackle(sp) torn down but I certainly don't think as it currently stands with people ignoring it's history and the evil that built it, helps humans understand where they came from.

A Monarchy is still a dictatorship, even if only in name. I don't like the worship of a horrible history, even if the current lot in power are not doing it now. It sill allows humans to ignore our past.

So when I say "RICH PEOPLE FUCK" I can also say "MEXICANS FUCK" "ATHEISTS FUCK" "POOR PEOPLE FUCK" "FRENCH PEOPLE FUCK" "MUSLIMS FUCK" "JAPANESE FUCK"

Get it? None of us are special, that is the point of it all. Evolution doesn't give one fuck who you are, what family you were born into, what nation you came from, or how much money you have or don't have. In the end we all die. And in 1 million years no one is going to be around to give one fuck about this family or that baby. And in a few billion years from now, all life on this planet will go extinct, and even the sun will die. The universe will go on without any record of us.

It is the WORSHIP I hate. This worship of one family takes away resources from people in that nation that are much more in need of it than that family.

[Shiranu]

Disneyland doesn't require government subsidies to get by.

Neither does the Royal Family apparently. And Disneyland DOES get subsidiaries, as do zoos and amusement parks. That's one benefit of generating revenue for the state... you tend to get something back from the state.

yes lets celebrate imperialism.

When Africans celebrate their culture... "Ah, good for them! They aren't bowing down to western influence!"
When Japanese celebrate their culture..."Ah, good for them! They aren't bowing down to western influence!"
When the British celebrate their culture... "OMG IMPERIALISTIC SCUM, HOW DARE THEY! THAT IS A INSTITUTION OF OPPRESSION HOW DARE THEY DO THAT!"

We do. We rally around our flag.

A flag that stands for what, exactly?

The 50 stars... representing 50 states... most of which we slaughtered the locals or fucked them over for.

Yay, America... we are sooooo much better...

[Hijiri Byakuren]

We don't elevate one family by birthright above the rest of us.

With the possible exception of the Kennedys, anyway.

[Brian37]

I like to judge people by how much they accomplish for others vs how much they are given to work with. It lets me appreciate people like the british crown (born rich but trying to do good), bill gates (born poor, selfmade billionaire, and also trying to do good) as well as dislike various people, both born rich, become rich, or still poor who have the means and don't use it properly.

Far better to judge people by their actions compared to their means than just their means alone.

Yes that family is doing so good that the College tuition rates are STILL SKYROCKETING over there. A few days of economic boom because two people fucked, does not insure long term economic stability for the nation. That family may personally want to help, but as an institution it is a distraction that takes away resources.

That's like saying casinos bring in taxes, sure they do, but look how many broke people they create in the process.

[hillbillyatheist]

Disneyland doesn't require government subsidies to get by.

Neither does the Royal Family apparently. And Disneyland DOES get subsidiaries, as do zoos and amusement parks. That's one benefit of generating revenue for the state... you tend to get something back from the state.

Disneyland doesn't need subsidies. anymore than the oil companies do. just because corporations fucked up our system doesn't make it okay. They could get by without any help.

yes lets celebrate imperialism.

When Africans celebrate their culture... "Ah, good for them! They aren't bowing down to western influence!"
When Japanese celebrate their culture..."Ah, good for them! They aren't bowing down to western influence!"
When the British celebrate their culture... "OMG IMPERIALISTIC SCUM, HOW DARE THEY! THAT IS A INSTITUTION OF OPPRESSION HOW DARE THEY DO THAT!"

who said British people couldn't celebrate their culture? if they ended the monarchy and became a full fledged republic, they could still rally around their flag.

We do. We rally around our flag.

A flag that stands for what, exactly?

The 50 stars... representing 50 states... most of which we slaughtered the locals or fucked them over for.

Yay, America... we are sooooo much better...

So you're saying americans can't be proud but brittish can? why the double standard?

Our flag represents america. The british flag represents brittain. The queen is just the descendant of a family that conquered the islands by force and who would still be a dictatorship where it not for for the British subjects forcing the royalty to sign the Magna Carta.