An argument for proof of hell

[Blackleaf]

Religion doesn't teach morality, it teaches obedience.

"Do this or be punished."

True morality is about doing the right thing because it's right - not because you fear hell or want heaven.

Yep. And when you're taught to do the right thing out of fear of punishment, you'll do whatever you want when you think no one will find out. Fear of authority only works if, you know, that authority is present. And based on all the church clergy who've sexually abused children, an invisible man in the sky is not present enough. Also probably doesn't help that they can just pray and be forgiven anyway. Christianity is the religion of escaping consequences. That's why it's so cliche for celebrities to "find Jesus" after they get caught doing something they shouldn't have done.

[Cassia]

You don't need an argument when you have proof. And of course, like all key religious claims, hell is unfalsifiable. We can watch how hell has evolved in the imagination from a vacuum into a fiery realm of torture.

I don't know of any bullet-proof evidence for Jesus the man either. Could have been a mythological figure who was euhemerized.

[Nobody]

I've listened to Dr. Richard Carrier, a historian of the 1st and 2nd centuries, and he gives Jesus a 1 in 3 chance of having been a historical reality. Personally, I give him a lot less chance than that, but I'm no historian.

[Nobody]

Yep. And when you're taught to do the right thing out of fear of punishment, you'll do whatever you want when you think no one will find out. Fear of authority only works if, you know, that authority is present. And based on all the church clergy who've sexually abused children, an invisible man in the sky is not present enough. Also probably doesn't help that they can just pray and be forgiven anyway. Christianity is the religion of escaping consequences. That's why it's so cliche for celebrities to "find Jesus" after they get caught doing something they shouldn't have done.

I seriously doubt that those pedophile priests actually believe in the God they claim to worship. How could they possibly do such things if they really believed they were being watched by almighty God?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

[Cassia]

I've listened to Dr. Richard Carrier, a historian of the 1st and 2nd centuries, and he gives Jesus a 1 in 3 chance of having been a historical reality. Personally, I give him a lot less chance than that, but I'm no historian.

Yeah, me as well. Perhaps some sort of fictional amalgam of wandering preachers. Practically every event depicted is carefully scripted for a purpose, the cast of role players taking advantage of every symbolic opportunity. The script getting more fleshed out as the decades passed. Did I mention people are like needy children, looking for all the answers they want?