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Started by Jason Harvestdancer, January 06, 2024, 10:51:18 PM

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ferdmonger

And I woke up this morning to find someone stole my Harris sign - because of course they did.

Unbeliever

Someone has tried to burn ballot boxes in Washington and Oregon. I bet it wasn't a Democrat. 🤔
God Not Found
"There is a sucker born-again every minute." - C. Spellman

Mr.Obvious

#737
Soon.




... tbh the fatigue of it all is getting to me, and i am not even voting in your election. But i am invested and it is wearing me out. Especially after our own elections this year.

I can genuinly say i will be extremely sad if trump manages to get re-elected. And fearfull for global economy and stability of the coming years.

But even so. I'll be glad when the race itself is over.
I am going to give farron balanced, david pakman, msnbc, etc a wide berth, for a while.
Bit burned out on politics
"If we have to go down, we go down together!"
- Your mum, last night, requesting 69.

Atheist Mantis does not pray.

Susan

Quote from: Hydra009 on October 27, 2024, 04:16:13 PM



The Trump cult tries to make Trump look tall by having him stand on other people's shoulders.

Wow.

That is like...incredibly dishonest. INCREDIBLY so.

Unbeliever

Well, Trump is, after all, incredibly dishonest.
God Not Found
"There is a sucker born-again every minute." - C. Spellman

Susan

Quote from: Unbeliever on October 28, 2024, 06:18:51 PMWell, Trump is, after all, incredibly dishonest.

You are quite right. And I suppose he spread some of that "dishonesty virus" to his followers. Or maybe they were just born with it.

Or maybe Trump just reinforced it, who knows.

Susan

#741
Well, since I am here, I might as well ask the opinion of those who are apparently more knowledgeable than me.

First of all, I'm not American myself, but I am well aware that this election affects the WHOLE world, so this should concern all of us, literally.

So, my question is: what could possibly have happened with American society in these last 4 years, so that Trump is not only a candidate, but has actually real odds of winning, even if barely?

I mean, maybe I am misremembering, but when Biden-Harris won in 2020, there was enthusiasm before they won and celebration AFTER they won.

This time around, even if there is enthusiasm, it seems to me to be less than the last time. This shouldn't justify Trump coming back, but it seems like Trumpsters/Republicans/MAGA are more vocal now than Dems. This even could lead to the belief that they actually ARE the majority, and that a Democratic Party victory, if it happens, would indeed be likely a fraud.

So to me, the only logical explanation for Trump to be STILL running for POTUS and having a large number of voters to boot, is that the Biden-Harris administration was not "successful" in the minds of millions of Americans. So that a lot of voters could even be turning to the other side.

But this is only speculation, of course. I would like to hear the opinions of others. @Hydra009, if you are reading this, how would you explain the decreased support for the Democratic ticket this time around?

Of course, anyone can chime in, if they want to.

Susan

Well, to REALLY sum up my latest inquiry, it seems like many Americans are "honestly" (kinda, sorta) simply DISSAPOINTED (yep, I found the right word) with the current government, and want a change. Is this really the case, though?

Dark Lightning

There's so much disinformation being promulgated to people who sit in far-right "stovepipes" of information that they are largely "disappointed. It's interesting that FAUX news can tell a horror story about the economy and then turn around and report another 250,000 jobs added to the economy. These people are so bamboozled that they don't know what to think. I worked in radio frequency communications for 25 years, and when the COVID shots came out, one of my neighbors told me that he heard that the shot had microchips for tracking people. This is a physical impossibility, given the size of the alleged particles and the frequency range that this would operate in. Not sure he believed me, and all his friends will tell him differently, anyway. He flies a "Trump" flag on the flagpole in his front yard. His "being tracked", if it were true, would be with his cell phone!

Cassia

Quote from: Susan on October 28, 2024, 09:33:43 PMWell, to REALLY sum up my latest inquiry, it seems like many Americans are "honestly" (kinda, sorta) simply DISSAPOINTED (yep, I found the right word) with the current government, and want a change. Is this really the case, though?
As soon as the great war of dictators fades from living memory, monkey brains once again think we need a dictator to straighten it all up. People are fucking morons.

Hydra009

#745
Quote from: Susan on October 28, 2024, 09:22:11 PMSo, my question is: what could possibly have happened with American society in these last 4 years, so that Trump is not only a candidate, but has actually real odds of winning, even if barely?

I mean, maybe I am misremembering, but when Biden-Harris won in 2020, there was enthusiasm before they won and celebration AFTER they won.
That is accurate.  But Trump didn't just ride off into the sunset.  He dominated the news with his court cases.  Then he got hit with 34 felonies, which didn't really seem to affect him all that much in the primary, which he won.  Also, the Supreme Court overturned Roe V Wade and ruled that the President would have some sort of vague "immunity" when committing what would otherwise be crimes.  Then the Republicans vowed to push through even radical changes with Project 2025, which a surprisingly large portion of the US is a-okay with.  Soo...not exactly a festive atmosphere at the moment.

QuoteThis time around, even if there is enthusiasm, it seems to me to be less than the last time.
Depends on what you mean.  There's more enthusiasm for Harris than there was for Biden.  And there are even moments in which I forget about Trump even exists and consider Harris and her proposals in a vacuum.  Those are nice moments.  I genuinely am excited about the prospect of a Harris administration more than I would be another term with Biden, and I think Biden has done a lot of good.

But do I buy Harris t-shirts or bumper stickers or Harris sneakers or Harris Bibles?  No.

QuoteSo to me, the only logical explanation for Trump to be STILL running for POTUS and having a large number of voters to boot, is that the Biden-Harris administration was not "successful" in the minds of millions of Americans. So that a lot of voters could even be turning to the other side.
Too early to tell. We won't know that until the votes are counted.  What we do know is that early voting has set records and generally, the Democrats do better when more people vote. 

Unfortunately, this is a deeply partisan country and those roots run deep and Trump has effectively taken over the Republican party.  So Trump will get about 40% of the vote no matter what.  Also unfortunately, some really bad actors with some incredibly deep pockets have taken up the Trump cause and waged a sort of information war on the US, with considerable success.

This upcoming election could be very close or extremely close depending on how much the little guys get bamboozled by the big guys.

Hydra009

#746
And here's something I've been shouting from the rooftops for years:

Americans do generally want change, but the sorts of changes they want aren't on the ballot.

They want progressive policies enacted - whether it's single payer healthcare, living wage, subsidized college, climate change to be taken seriously, etc.  You sit people down and explain this stuff to them and they're on board.

There's just one tiny hiccup - they're just not on board when it comes to actually voting for candidates.  The instant those hit pieces come out, they get cold feet, just like Republicans and gun control.  Instead, we get to choose between a centrist and an absolute lunatic.  Clown shoes and everything.  And on the left side of the aisle, we need someone "presentable" and "realistic" and "presidential" - which to be honest is something the right needs to concern itself with much more than the left.  But we're always losing till we've won, so we always have to concede to avoid risk and go with the centrist.  (For some reason, the right is neither dissuaded from the risky approach nor particularly harmed by taking it, generally)

It's like the family asking itself what everyone wants to eat for dinner, 2 people say leftovers and 3 say cowpies (one said it as a joke to "troll" the family).  And you want chicken scampi.  What choice do you have?

Also, what the average joe wants and what'll pass in Congress are two very, very different things, which I am finding out with increasing sadness and frustration every year.

Mr.Obvious


In a vague response to susan:

Also, you know, there is no doubt in my mind harris will get a plurality of the votes.
Hell, she might even get more votes than biden did.
But she might still lose, through the electoral college. And that is exhausting. You can have millions of people more voting for the not insane rapist, and still not come out on top. A few hundred thousand voters in a few key states can make the difference. In a true popularity contest, trump wouldn't stand a chance. But now, he does.
"If we have to go down, we go down together!"
- Your mum, last night, requesting 69.

Atheist Mantis does not pray.

Hydra009

From what I've seen, Harris needs a two-point lead just to break even in the electoral college.

This is due to some people's vote being worth more than others in the current system.  That's not a joke.  If you boil it down, this is the reality of how the electoral system operates.

Hydra009



I feel like every four years, conservatives have to once again be taught the concept of population density.