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Started by Mr.Obvious, September 04, 2023, 06:16:34 PM

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Mr.Obvious

And plenty of sequels.
"If we have to go down, we go down together!"
- Your mum, last night, requesting 69.

Atheist Mantis does not pray.

Gawdzilla Sama

He does have a good angle on the plane facts.
We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
PZ Myers

Unbeliever

I was able to get all 13 books in 4 volumes.
"There is a sucker born-again every minute." - C. Spellman

Gawdzilla Sama

Sounds like Jack L. Chalker, he of the flaming word processor.
We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
PZ Myers

the_antithesis

So, I read Dreamcatcher by Stephen King and I have thoughts.

I first encountered this story through the movie. I remember thinking that it felt like reading a Stephen King novel. I can't quite explain the reasons for this. I think it's because other adaptations tend to leave out or reduce things. I can see the director going through the book and coming upon something and going "Ha, ha. No, Stephen. We're not doing that." It felt like a slavish adaptation or one that captured the flavor of read a King book. I still don't know what that may mean or if it's true.

Decades later, I finally read the book. It is one of two books that he's apologized for and weirdly, both Dreamcatcher and Tommyknockers are about aliens. I guess he has other alien books. Under the Dome? IDK And he's probably apologized for every single one of his books at one time or another. But these two he apologized because he felt the quality wasn't good. Dreamcatcher does have problems. Let's count them.

1) he was on a lot of drugs when he wrote. Much like Tommyknockers, although that was cocaine. Cocaine is why movies from the 80's are the best because they could get producers high on cocaine to agree to the dumbest shit. However, Dreamcatcher was not cocaine, so it's probably differently than if it had.

2) It was Oxycontin because he'd been hit by a truck. He was in a lot of pain and couldn't write for more than a few hours and wound up writing the whole thing longhand. That pain shows through. His novels are often unpleasant, being horror stories, but it seems excessive here.

3) Much of the concepts here have been used elsewhere. This may be just what having a 30+ year career is like. You are going to tread ground you've been on before. Or it's a factor of the circumstances where he wasn't really able to come up with fresh ideas at the time. I don't know but It, Stand By Me ("The Body"), It Grows On You (from Creepshow), Firestarter, Tommyknockers, And probably others I'm missing. I wouldn't call it a greatest hits so much as just borrowing ideas he'd already used elsewhere.

4) Overall, though, the story feels half-baked. The concepts here are very esoteric but they don't quite gel. The ending of the book has an epilogue where character discuss what happened in a vain attempt at explaining it to the reader. It don't work.

So, not a strong outing, but it's probably one that should never receive a re-edit. It's an unpleasant novel because it came from an unpleasant place. Like a confession elicited under torture. It is not eloquent because it is raw.

Gawdzilla Sama

Or it could be just a day in the life of a horror aficionado. I was like that at one point. When I was swimming down the Mekong to get back to base I'd travel (ie. float) at night and hide during the day. Brush piles along the river were handy impromptu pied-à-terre but I scared the crap out of a couple of locals who moved some firewood candidate and found a face looking up at them. This is when I started creating movies in my head. Discipline required to keep the story straight and fear to keep me hidden and not screaming when I bump the steel sticking out of my leg.

I actually wrote all that up and sent it to Stephen a few years later. He wrote back and said "If you ever need a job, come see me."   
We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
PZ Myers

the_antithesis

So, I was reading Stoner by John Williams...

Two things to head you off at the pass:

  • Stoner is the guy's name.
  • Not that John Williams. A different John Williams. The Butcher's Creek John Williams

Anyway. I was reading it and I got halfway through and I think I'm done. It's becoming obvious that it'll be just shit being piled on the protagonist and if I wanted that, I'd just live my fucking life.

Worse, it's not done well. His marriage to that ***t he married is the worst part of the book. It's supposed to be a marriage that slowly deteriorates over time or something but she appeared to hate him before they even started dating. Why did she agree to date him? Why did she agree to marry him? She was cold and emotionally distant from when her character was introduced. Why did he ask this emotionless robot to marry him? He wasn't that young when they met. I get she's hot, but that is literally her only redeeming trait. He should be smarter than that. He can't love her because there is no reason for him to love her other than she's hot. She is never kind to him. Always expressionless. And after her father dies, she become just plain malignant.


I actually found this a bit close to home as she started dressing and styling herself with the current trends. I didn't know women go through mid-life crises, but they apparently do because my ex did similar. She took guitar lessons and started listening to terrible early aughts rock music like she was fourteen.

So, nothing about his relationship to this ***t is good or shows a side that is positive that explains why he wouldn't burn down the overly-expensive house she insisted on buying, putting him in considerable debt and run away from her. At the very least, don't put a baby in that robot.

And now new characters are being introduced that are just going to pile shit on Stoner. It's not realistic or even interesting because I can see it coming a mile away and don't feel like dealing with it.

So, I stopped reading it. I cannot warn you enough, but this is probably the first you've heard of it. It was a flop when published but has been re-evaluated in recent years and I am here to tell you that re-evaluation is unwarranted. I stopped enjoying it and do not wish to put myself through any more of it.