Has the War Against AI Already Been Lost?

Started by Shiranu, February 13, 2023, 05:19:13 PM

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Hydra009


Brandon Sanderson talks about AI.  It's moderately entertaining, but for the audience's sake I'll summarize.  He talks about the common objections to generative AI - the kind of thing that generates images and songs and books.  It's a very resource-intensive process, which concerns him, but that's not his real objection.  It unethically takes works under copyright and generates works based on them.  Again, concerning, but not the real objection.  It replaces a human with a machine - closer to his real objection - but not quite there.  Lots of technology has replaced human workers and that's not necessarily a bad thing.

For him, the purpose of writing his earliest books wasn't to make a product, it was to develop himself and his skills and to accomplish his goal of writing a novel.  This is his main objection to AI - it stifles growth by killing this process in its infancy.  Generative AI, by definition, does not learn or grow based on its output like a human author.

Will AI art replace human-produced art?  Not necessarily.  We decide what art is and what we're willing to pay for.  If it can no longer sustain economic viability, generative AI dies.

Blackleaf

AI is good for two types of people:

1. The rich, who don't want to pay people for their hard work.

2. People without an ounce of artistic talent or passion, without the patience to learn, and without the respect for those who do create art. It allows them to go around saying, "Look what I made! I'm an artist now, because I typed in a prompt and got this result!"
"Oh, wearisome condition of humanity,
Born under one law, to another bound;
Vainly begot, and yet forbidden vanity,
Created sick, commanded to be sound."
--Fulke Greville--

the_antithesis


If this is true, the death of AI is inevitable.

Hydra009

AI deletes emails of Meta AI safety director

Irony is dead.  I can't even say that it's meta humor because that's already taken as well.

Quote"Nothing humbles you like telling your OpenClaw 'confirm before acting' and watching it speedrun deleting your inbox," she wrote. "I couldn't stop it from my phone. I had to RUN to my Mac mini like I was defusing a bomb." OpenClaw basically went full HAL 9000 on Yue, pulling up just short of saying, "I'm sorry Summer, I'm afraid I can't do that." She shared screenshots of her conversation with the agent, showing her begging it to stop and being ignored, concluding with the bot acknowledging that it remembered being told not to delete anything without approval and "violated" that order anyway.
Hal 9000.  The fictional AI that murdered people.  What a reassuring comparison. 

Cassia

Quote from: Hydra009 on February 27, 2026, 11:26:00 PM
Quote from: Hydra009 on February 27, 2026, 11:26:00 PMAI deletes emails of Meta AI safety director

Irony is dead.  I can't even say that it's meta humor because that's already taken as well.
Hal 9000.  The fictional AI that murdered people.  What a reassuring comparison. 

Irony is dead.  I can't even say that it's meta humor because that's already taken as well.
Hal 9000.  The fictional AI that murdered people.  What a reassuring comparison. 
War Games. The AI that was in a race to find launch codes while also playing tic tac toe to learn that global thermal nuclear war is unwinnable.