Has the War Against AI Already Been Lost?

Started by Shiranu, February 13, 2023, 05:19:13 PM

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Hydra009

OpenAI is begging the British Parliament to allow it to use copyrighted works

Quote"Because copyright today covers virtually every sort of human expression — including blog posts, photographs, forum posts, scraps of software code, and government documents — it would be impossible to train today's leading AI models without using copyrighted materials,"
Then die.

Blackleaf

"But how is our business supposed to thrive without being able to steal other people's work?"

I dunno. Maybe try making an AI that isn't dependent on theft to make anything resembling human work?
"Oh, wearisome condition of humanity,
Born under one law, to another bound;
Vainly begot, and yet forbidden vanity,
Created sick, commanded to be sound."
--Fulke Greville--

the_antithesis

Quote from: Blackleaf on January 09, 2025, 11:10:31 AM"But how is our business supposed to thrive without being able to steal other people's work?"

I dunno. Maybe try making an AI that isn't dependent on theft to make anything resembling human work?

Or open an ice cream stand and stop trying to make the world worse.

SoldierofFortune

I cannot appreciate the phrasing 'war against.' It sounds as though there is a conspiracy against all of humanity, carried out by a group of people who possess AI.

I naively believe that every technology should be in the service of humanity. But it seems that the group or party that possesses the technology takes advantage of it, and this is naturally the case.

Who are the parties involved in this 'war'

Gawdzilla Sama

""Jew keep usin' that word. I don't think it means what you think it means."

Google AI had no clue. It's a quote from a movie.  Close to a particular quote from a movie.
We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
PZ Myers

Hydra009

Quote from: SoldierofFortune on January 09, 2025, 01:17:38 PMI cannot appreciate the phrasing 'war against.' It sounds as though there is a conspiracy against all of humanity, carried out by a group of people who possess AI.
"war" is figurative.  It's more like the ongoing power struggle, especially as it relates to economic classes, magnified by the ability of the wealthy to access talent without the need to hire or pay talent.

SoldierofFortune

Quote from: Hydra009 on January 09, 2025, 02:10:35 PM"war" is figurative.  It's more like the ongoing power struggle, especially as it relates to economic classes, magnified by the ability of the wealthy to access talent without the need to hire or pay talent.

I don't think there is an ongoing power struggle as the power of the wealthy is so consolidated that it's irreversible.
I take the defeatist stance here, giving up leftist ideals. I'd be much happier working for the wealthy rather than being against them. I've lost any romantic interest in defending the general good of the masses, masses as that's always replaceable talent. Instead, I'm all for the wealthy, even though I'm one of the masses by birth.

You wanna be one who's not replaceable, you need to be highly educated.
For the first time in history you need to pay to study, to be qualified ''worker''.
Just to be worker : )

Hydra009

Something something "temporarily embarrassed millionaire".  Though that quote isn't particularly accurate anymore.  I guess with inflation, it's closer to billionaire.

SoldierofFortune

Such diagnosticians around here who can tell you all about everything after just two short paragraphes.


Mr.Obvious

"If we have to go down, we go down together!"
- Your mum, last night, requesting 69.

Atheist Mantis does not pray.

Gawdzilla Sama

We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
PZ Myers

Blackleaf

Quote from: Hydra009 on January 19, 2025, 10:11:01 PM

Same thing happens when I ask a question to a human being. Suddenly, the answer comes to me. Putting your thoughts into words (spoken or written) helps to contextualize them and come up with a solution.
"Oh, wearisome condition of humanity,
Born under one law, to another bound;
Vainly begot, and yet forbidden vanity,
Created sick, commanded to be sound."
--Fulke Greville--

Gawdzilla Sama

Organizing your thoughts is usually a very good way to get to the heart of the matter, agreed. I sometimes type everything I know about an issue into a word processor, then organize that material into a "paper" for submission to the Editor In My Mind. EIMM has saved me a lot of time in the past.
We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
PZ Myers

Sargon The Grape

That's essentially what I'm doing whenever I "have a conversation" with one of these AI assistants. I know it isn't really speaking back to me, but the process of writing out the problem often helps get to the solution.
Speak when you have something to say, not when you have to say something.

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