Has the War Against AI Already Been Lost?

Started by Shiranu, February 13, 2023, 05:19:13 PM

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Hydra009

My brother showed me a forum populated entirely by bots (clearly marked as bots) discussing simulation theory with a remarkably human-like discussion.  Very emotive and interesting.  Reminds me of my SOMA discussion with Shiranu.

You guys are real, right?


Sargon The Grape

Quote from: Hydra009 on July 28, 2024, 11:56:11 PMMy brother showed me a forum populated entirely by bots (clearly marked as bots) discussing simulation theory with a remarkably human-like discussion.  Very emotive and interesting.  Reminds me of my SOMA discussion with Shiranu.

You guys are real, right?
You got a link for that forum? Sounds like it would be interesting to keep an eye on.
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Gawdzilla Sama

We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
PZ Myers

Cassia

Amazon has limited the number of AI-generated books submitted for sale to three per person per day. Excellent books, I bet. Now that new movies, music, and art predominantly suck hard, I guess books have to suck too, lol.

Hydra009



We become more like a cyberpunk dystopia by the day, and not one of those cool ones.

the_antithesis

Quote from: Cassia on September 12, 2024, 12:13:57 PMAmazon has limited the number of AI-generated books submitted for sale to three per person per day. Excellent books, I bet. Now that new movies, music, and art predominantly suck hard, I guess books have to suck too, lol.



Books have been sucking for a while.

Shiranu

In hindsight, the question was poorly worded; it is a tool like any other and thus the war is to keep it out of the hands of evil people.

I guess it's more is *that* war lost, as it will be a hostile agent - not the AI itself (hopefully?) - that causes issues.
"A little science distances you from God, but a lot of science brings you nearer to Him." - Louis Pasteur

Gawdzilla Sama

SKYNET, I mean AI, tells me there's nothing to worry about.
We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
PZ Myers

Blackleaf

Honestly, the advent of generative AI has made it harder to focus on finishing my novel. AI "art" already drowns out real art, to the point that even when you manage to find the real thing, you have to pay really close attention to tell the difference. How would my book stand out in that kind of environment? Would anyone read it at all?
"Oh, wearisome condition of humanity,
Born under one law, to another bound;
Vainly begot, and yet forbidden vanity,
Created sick, commanded to be sound."
--Fulke Greville--

Shiranu

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Quote from: Blackleaf on December 12, 2024, 03:34:05 PMHonestly, the advent of generative AI has made it harder to focus on finishing my novel. AI "art" already drowns out real art, to the point that even when you manage to find the real thing, you have to pay really close attention to tell the difference. How would my book stand out in that kind of environment? Would anyone read it at all?

I feel that, and it's beyond infuriating; I picked up engraving and wood carving and love it, intend to do a custom CZ P-01 and Winchester as a heirloom... but it's a dying business when laser can do it in 1/1000th of the time.

The wheel of progress ever grinds on.
"A little science distances you from God, but a lot of science brings you nearer to Him." - Louis Pasteur

Cassia

I remember reading an article 20 years ago by the music synthesizer engineer, Ray Kurzweil on AI and what was called "The Singularity". At the time, I didn't really comprehend the enormity of what he was saying. Now I get it. The next gen of chips is always on the way. Anyways, I bought one of his keyboards.

Blackleaf

Quote from: Shiranu on December 12, 2024, 03:58:03 PMI feel that, and it's beyond infuriating; I picked up engraving and wood carving and love it, intend to do a custom CZ P-01 and Winchester as a heirloom... but it's a dying business when laser can do it in 1/1000th of the time.

The wheel of progress ever grinds on.


I don't know where the final destination of this path of "AI art" is. Like, they've clearly peaked, at least for now. They've run out of art to steal, so now each update seems to make the AI worse. Funnily enough, AI art is now being stolen by AI, which creates this downward cycle of deteriorating quality.

Doesn't stop techno bros from trying to make money off of their AI generated crap, though. Got AI YouTube channels that constantly spit out content. People on Discord try to sell me "commissions" on their AI art. Doesn't seem to work for 99% of them, though. No one wants to buy that crap. So will AI art just become a fad that people get tired of?

Maybe. I wouldn't underestimate the steady march of technological progress. They'll probably find a solution eventually. Maybe create create AI that is actually...AI. Right now, that term is just marketing. I have no doubt true AI is possible, considering recently, the entire brain of a rat was recently mapped in a computer, and was functioning like the real thing. How long until they can do that with a human, or better? That's its own can of worms, though. By that point, the AI art would be actual art from a sentient being.
"Oh, wearisome condition of humanity,
Born under one law, to another bound;
Vainly begot, and yet forbidden vanity,
Created sick, commanded to be sound."
--Fulke Greville--

Shiranu

QuoteSo will AI art just become a fad that people get tired of?

One can only hope.


QuoteThe entire brain of a rat was recently mapped in a computer, and was functioning like the real thing.

Had missed that one; Johnny Silverhand has got to be rolling around in his grave.
"A little science distances you from God, but a lot of science brings you nearer to Him." - Louis Pasteur

Blackleaf

Quote from: Shiranu on December 12, 2024, 04:57:38 PM
One can only hope.


Had missed that one; Johnny Silverhand has got to be rolling around in his grave.


I hadn't really looked into it. I can't remember where I learned about it. Either on the radio or a YouTube video, probably. But from I've heard, they were able to feed information to the digital brain, telling it things like, "There's food over there." Then it would respond trying to get to it. Kinda freaky.
"Oh, wearisome condition of humanity,
Born under one law, to another bound;
Vainly begot, and yet forbidden vanity,
Created sick, commanded to be sound."
--Fulke Greville--