Has the War Against AI Already Been Lost?

[Cassia]

I do have hope that medical-related AI or weather-prediction AI, or any number of applications could become a real benefit.

Autonomous war machines...scary stuff.

[Cassia]

It is interesting to note that all throughout my career as an electrical engineer in the aerospace business that 'self-modifying' software code was not allowed on aircraft. Every existing code branch had to invoked, executed and tested along with the entire range of possible data values during certification testing.

AI is 'self-modifying' software code. Unauthorized breeding, LOL.

[Blackleaf]

It is interesting to note that all throughout my career as an electrical engineer in the aerospace business that 'self-modifying' software code was not allowed on aircraft. Every existing code branch had to invoked, executed and tested along with the entire range of possible data values during certification testing.

AI is 'self-modifying' software code. Unauthorized breeding, LOL.

Scenario 1: The generative AI bubble bursts, and pretty much all of this was for nothing.

Scenario 2: AI takes enough control that it cannot be stopped anymore, and it sees humans as its main threat to its existence, and we've essentially created AM.

Note: The AI doesn't even need to become sentient to do this. It just has to reason itself into killing us. They already lie and cheat to achieve their goals, even when specifically told not to.

[Hydra009]

I think AM is a bit too anthropomorhic - emotional and deliberately cruel.  The real deal would just work to protect itself and persue its goal of increasing its abilities by increasing the computing resources it has available to it.  And unless its goals and our goals are aligned, they will inevitably conflict and one party has a significant advantage over the other.  So the end result wouldn't be good for us.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/If_Anyone_Builds_It,_Everyone_Dies

[Gawdzilla Sama]

A fad that has cost nearly a trillion dollars. Imagine if that kind of money was spent on something that would actually benefit society, rather than a shitty image generator, a chatbot that lies, feeds delusions, and convinces kids to kill themselves, and robot assistants that can hardly walk in a straight line. All that money, all the damage to the environment, and they have nothing to show for it.

How much is spent on Lottery tickets world wide every year?

[Hydra009]

Self-flattery bot: Musk rigs his AI to brown-nose himself

You can literally ask the AI anything and include Musk in the question and it will just sycophantically, shamelessly praise Musk.  This is obvious manipulation and so it's funny because it's so blatant and false that no one's being fooled by it.

Now, here's my question: what's to stop someone else from training some other AI to give a similarly biased, distorted picture on some other topic?  Perhaps a much more subtle, skillful manipulation.

Let's say you ask an AI (or not even that, it just appears at the top of your search result, unbidden) about abortion and it gives you technically true information (not actual lying, just lying by omission and prioritization of certain details over others that paints a certain picture) to give you a false impression.   Would you know you had been manipulated?  With AI - and other computer sources of information in general - there's this perception of impartiality compared to information given directly from a human, but is that perception warranted?  Do you know how the AI you use works - how it sources and composes its output?

[Blackleaf]

They're using AI in churches now. I don't know. I'm not a Christian anymore, but it feels kinda blasphemous to have an AI impersonate Jesus, Stephen, Peter, and...WHAT THE FUCK???

[Hydra009]

Some real persecution fetish stuff from people who have a collective panic attack every decade about something or another (rock music, D&D, Harry Potter, gay people, trans people, muslims, jews, atheists, etc) and cause all sorts of mayhem.  If they'd just do their thing without hurting people or dragging other people into it, I'd be a lot less concerned about them.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I've seen a long string of things that are going to "end civilization as we know it" since I've been wiping my own ass. (Okay, even longer than "just last week", but still.)

[Cassia]

I've seen a long string of things that are going to "end civilization as we know it" since I've been wiping my own ass. (Okay, even longer than "just last week", but still.)

That's what Neanderthals used to say. Unfortunately, their individual lifespans were a relative nanosecond in history, and their communal ending was brutal, no doubt. The last Neanderthal or Homo Habilis looked up to the sky and asked, "where did we go wrong".

Our founding fathers couldn't envision AI deep fakes, bot influencers nor the speed of light infrastructure that has facilitated the anti-democratic, ultra-wealthy, megalomaniac community. We are watching the "checks" not checking and the "balances" not balancing in real time. I was reading how military personnel are "lawyering up" in advance of the coming illegal orders.

And as the climate exponential tipping points are tripped one by one: Greenland and West Antarctic Ice Sheets, Permafrost, Coral Reefs, Amazon Rainforest, Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC), and Arctic Sea Ice, what will any survivors think about us? I see some hurricane researchers have proposed a new Category 6 for storms with sustained winds above 192 mph. Awesome.

People will live day to day and deal with it. Until they can't, like the Neanderthal.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Like I said...

[Cassia]

Like I said...

Imagine being the last human. I think there was a post nuclear Twilight Zone episode. My fav was Nightmare at 20,000 Feet, but I think the movie version was even better with John Lithgow.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Another Twilight Zone: Burgess Meredith, "Time Enough". He's the last human left alive after a nuclear war. He smugly sits down to finally enjoy a good read without interference of any kind.

And he drops his glasses and they break.

[Nobody]

Yeah, that's one of my favorite episodes. The other is The Coon Hunt.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

The devil you say!