Started by NagaMorningstar, December 12, 2022, 09:23:07 PM
Quote from: Mike Cl on December 12, 2022, 10:12:46 PMNot impressed--not in the least. You clearly chose to reject critical thinking and simply chose to believe in a fiction. Not impressed.
Quote from: NagaMorningstar on December 12, 2022, 10:24:33 PMI did originally choose to believe after being an atheist after being raised a believer. I but after having had the supernatural experiences, it is no longer a choice. I don't even know how I could not believe at this point after what I've seen.
Quote from: Dark Lightning on December 12, 2022, 10:25:05 PMInteresting to use "naga" in their handle, which means "snake".
Quote from: Mike Cl on December 12, 2022, 10:57:27 PMThat name 'naga' did remind me of Riki Tivi Tavi where the cobras are named Nag and Nagaina (did not remember the names so I had to look it up)--wouldn't that be names for a male snake and female snake---snake and snakeette?
Quote from: Mike Cl on December 12, 2022, 10:53:09 PMYou then, are hopelessly lost. You should go to a shrink and see if you can cured. You can't see that now, for you have chosen to become knowingly blind--you can no longer see or understand the truth of the universe; but very best you can hope for is to keep on feeding the bank account of the 'spiritual' thief you owe allegiance to. It has been said--there is a sucker born every minute. How does it feel to be one???
Quote from: NagaMorningstar on December 12, 2022, 11:00:11 PMHow am I feeding anyone'a bank account? I don't have any money and haven't been in a church in like 20 years outside of a wedding.I've learned way more of the truth of the universe since seeing God than I did when I was an atheist but that is when I learned the most science stuff too. There is more to the world than science can talk about but I don't expect you to believe that as I wouldn't have when I was an atheist. I thought anything supernatural was impossible and everyone that had spiritual experiences was just hallucinating or something.
Quote from: Mike Cl on December 12, 2022, 11:25:10 PMActually, you have engaged more than the typical drive-by. So................my journey in search of the spiritual side of things was fairly intense for about a decade. I wanted (wanted and wanted.........)to get in touch with god. I have read the bible from start to finish at least twice; read several standard text books still used in many seminaries. Joined a church, was board president and vice president and was on the board for 3 years. I was very active in doing whatever that little church needed. I begged myself to find god--but that isn't how things turned out. The more deeply I researched, talked to people and went into myself, the less I believed that god existed. Finally I came to the conclusion that neither god nor Jesus were real. That is where I am today--both are pretty easy to see as shams, fiction, propaganda used to scam money out of a large number of people. And it has been wildly successful! Now, I don't 'believe' in anything. For example, I don't believe the sun will rise tomorrow; I know it will based on billions of 'sunrises'. And I know that that will not always be so--not because god has anything to do with it, but because that is how the universe works. Supernatural does not exist; if something is beyond nature or outside of nature, then that is because of a 'belief' and has no real facts or data behind it. You people 'believe' and have 'faith' because neither needs to use critical thinking (or thinking at all) or facts or data; you only have to 'believe' and it is so. In a nutshell, that is why I am an atheist.
Quote from: the_antithesis on December 12, 2022, 11:40:44 PMAnecdotes are not evidence.
Quote from: NagaMorningstar on December 13, 2022, 12:07:54 AMSince you were so religious, I'm curious what *would* you have thought about my experiences when you were a believer? Having experienced the 3 day overcoming of the 144,000 where I saw Jesus with eyes of fire (rev 1:24-15) like Daniel and Ezekiel, got morning star like Jonah and the whale is symbolic of (rev 2:28, 2 Peter 1:19) and later I sat in throne next to God while wrestling like Jacob (rev 3:21 & gen 32:30). Even as an atheist today, you're not curious to the insight I could bring to book of revelation that is regarded as so mystical? For example, I can explain to you meant by "our God is a consuming fire" and "baptism by fire" which is what happens after you see Jesus with eyes of fire.