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Quote from: ManUfan on February 19, 2023, 01:27:58 PMWhich God is yours?

Like all Gnostic Christians, I know that all of our Gods are man made.

Most put God above themselves but a Gnostic Christian is a perpetual seeker of God, described as the best rules and laws to live by and if a God cannot do better than I, why would I want one higher in esteem than myself?

Here is a thing I put together.

Are you master of yourself, or enslaved to a religion or state?

What or who, if anything/anyone, do you idol worship?

We are all born with a physical and a spiritual sense.
 
Our physical sense is easily confirmed by our own touch, even when in the womb, if sentience allows.

Our spiritual and or supernatural thinking is described as our Prices Alice experiment side, that wonders about the non-physical.
 
https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwipzrrRyKT9AhWPjIkEHWf7CI8QtwJ6BAgTEAI&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DaWx_uVDh4Cw&usg=AOvVaw0ezRxkjj-KDWIH3V0vYilr

This is all of us, as babies, --- learning how to judge good and evil.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOLovIa0RT8
You were born as master of your choices and quite attached to that selfish concept. Why selfish and why good?

Your physical was born thinking it was the best of your genetic line. Thinking your thinking is the best, which in spiritual terms; makes you think you are a god.

That is the good news the god religions want to suppress.

As a free thinker, I pick and choose the laws I will follow and whose laws I will ignore or break.

I am my own master. Are you?

If not, why not?

Who said to you that you had lost your ability to judge good from evil and bend the knee to god or king?

Gen3;22 Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil;

Is the bible wrong?

Regard
DL

Greatest I am

Quote from: ManUfan on February 19, 2023, 01:34:46 PMFair play can't be improved upon.
Fair play is the benchmark.
Religion skewed the progress of  homo sapiens... We're getting there gradually as religions die off.

Reciprocity is good.

Mercy added is better, as law then recognizes that society hold some blames.

The old eye for an eye just leave 2 blind thinking.

I think that that is a better fair play when justice and law get involved. You?

Regards
DL

Greatest I am

Quote from: Blackleaf on February 19, 2023, 05:38:20 PMIf there are better notions, show how they are better, and they will probably change. Can't do that with a religious person. If the Bible says so, you can't argue with it.

When talking about right wingers, no argument.

I like that stats that show that about 90% of the Wests religious are lying about their being believers.

They do not go to church even once a year.

Regards
DL

Mike Cl

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?<br />Then he is not omnipotent,<br />Is he able but not willing?<br />Then whence cometh evil?<br />Is he neither able or willing?<br />Then why call him god?

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Quote from: Mike Cl on February 20, 2023, 04:26:41 PMYeah, most of the time.

There was a specific quote, and if you missed it, reading comprehension courses are good.

Regards
DL

Mike Cl

Quote from: Greatest I am on February 21, 2023, 10:27:37 AMThere was a specific quote, and if you missed it, reading comprehension courses are good.

Regards
DL
Yeah--you asked if the bible was wrong.  I answered truthfully--yes.  It is wrong and on so many levels.  Yes, I'd highly recommend you take a reading comprehension course--or two.  And take a critical thinking course, as well.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?<br />Then he is not omnipotent,<br />Is he able but not willing?<br />Then whence cometh evil?<br />Is he neither able or willing?<br />Then why call him god?

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Quote from: Greatest I am on February 20, 2023, 11:53:51 AMLike all Gnostic Christians, I know that all of our Gods are man made.


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QuoteMost put God above themselves but a Gnostic Christian is a perpetual seeker of God,


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QuoteHere is a thing I put together.

Are you master of yourself, or enslaved to a religion or state?

What or who, if anything/anyone, do you idol worship?


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QuoteWe are all born with a physical and a spiritual sense.


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QuoteOur physical sense is easily confirmed by our own touch, even when in the womb, if sentience allows.


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QuoteOur spiritual and or supernatural thinking is described as our Prices Alice experiment side, that wonders about the non-physical.
 

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QuoteThis is all of us, as babies, --- learning how to judge good and evil.


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QuoteYour physical was born thinking it was the best of your genetic line. Thinking your thinking is the best, which in spiritual terms; makes you think you are a god.


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QuoteAs a free thinker, I pick and choose the laws I will follow and whose laws I will ignore or break.


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QuoteI am my own master. Are you?

If not, why not?


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QuoteGen3;22 Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil;


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QuoteIs the bible wrong?


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Greatest I am

Quote from: ManUfan on February 21, 2023, 03:37:25 PMReally?



Yes.

Check the stats.

I saw nothing else of interest and am surprised you read as much as you did.

Gnosis is all about knowing yourself.

Most are not there yet.

Regards
DL

Regards
DL


Mike Cl

Quote from: Greatest I am on February 22, 2023, 09:14:43 AMYes.


Gnosis is all about knowing yourself.

Most are not there yet.

Regards
DL


Quite agree.  Knowing yourself takes hard work; an imaginary friend will not help.  Either you do it or it does not get done. Gnosis does not need god--nor even Paul Bunyan or any other fictional hero.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?<br />Then he is not omnipotent,<br />Is he able but not willing?<br />Then whence cometh evil?<br />Is he neither able or willing?<br />Then why call him god?

Greatest I am

Quote from: Mike Cl on February 22, 2023, 06:43:32 PMQuite agree.  Knowing yourself takes hard work; an imaginary friend will not help.  Either you do it or it does not get done. Gnosis does not need god--nor even Paul Bunyan or any other fictional hero.

You have not paid attention when I have said that there are no supernatural beliefs in Gnostic Christianity.

You might have imaginary friends but I do not.

Please ask instead of imagining what my religious beliefs are.

Regards
DL


Mike Cl

Quote from: Greatest I am on February 23, 2023, 10:11:58 AMYou have not paid attention when I have said that there are no supernatural beliefs in Gnostic Christianity.

You might have imaginary friends but I do not.

Please ask instead of imagining what my religious beliefs are.

Regards
DL


Then why call it 'christianity'???
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?<br />Then he is not omnipotent,<br />Is he able but not willing?<br />Then whence cometh evil?<br />Is he neither able or willing?<br />Then why call him god?

M

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Mike Cl

Quote from: Greatest I am on February 25, 2023, 09:25:50 AMTradition.

Regards
DL
So gnosis can only happen if one is a christian? 
Gnosis is another one of those words that have various meanings.  For example:

Gnosis is the common Greek noun for knowledge (γνῶσις, gnōsis, f.).[1][2] The term was used among various Hellenistic religions and philosophies in the Greco-Roman world.[1][3][4][5] It is best known for its implication within Gnosticism,[1] where it signifies a spiritual knowledge or insight into humanity's real nature as divine, leading to the deliverance of the divine spark within humanity from the constraints of earthly existence.[3][4][5][6][7]

Etymology
Gnosis is a feminine Greek noun which means "knowledge" or "awareness."[8] It is often used for personal knowledge compared with intellectual knowledge (εἴδειν eídein), as with the French connaître compared with savoir, the Spanish conocer compared with saber, the Italian conoscere compared with sapere, the German kennen rather than wissen, or the Modern Greek γνωρίζω compared with ξέρω.[9]

A related term is the adjective gnostikos, "cognitive",[10] a reasonably common adjective in Classical Greek.[11] The terms do not appear to indicate any mystic, esoteric or hidden meaning in the works of Plato, but instead expressed a sort of higher intelligence and ability analogous to talent.[12]

When I attended Unity I developed my own idea of what gnosis meant to me.  It is simply gaining a deeper understanding of myself by paying closer attention to why I do certain things or why I think the way I do.  It is self knowledge and has nothing to do with the 'divine spark' (the Jiminy Cricket, or our conscience)   that each of us has; in other words spirituality has nothing to do with it.   
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?<br />Then he is not omnipotent,<br />Is he able but not willing?<br />Then whence cometh evil?<br />Is he neither able or willing?<br />Then why call him god?

Greatest I am

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Quote from: Mike Cl on February 25, 2023, 10:25:45 AMSo gnosis can only happen if one is a christian? 
Gnosis is another one of those words that have various meanings.  For example:

Gnosis is the common Greek noun for knowledge (γνῶσις, gnōsis, f.).[1][2] The term was used among various Hellenistic religions and philosophies in the Greco-Roman world.[1][3][4][5] It is best known for its implication within Gnosticism,[1] where it signifies a spiritual knowledge or insight into humanity's real nature as divine, leading to the deliverance of the divine spark within humanity from the constraints of earthly existence.[3][4][5][6][7]

Etymology
Gnosis is a feminine Greek noun which means "knowledge" or "awareness."[8] It is often used for personal knowledge compared with intellectual knowledge (εἴδειν eídein), as with the French connaître compared with savoir, the Spanish conocer compared with saber, the Italian conoscere compared with sapere, the German kennen rather than wissen, or the Modern Greek γνωρίζω compared with ξέρω.[9]

A related term is the adjective gnostikos, "cognitive",[10] a reasonably common adjective in Classical Greek.[11] The terms do not appear to indicate any mystic, esoteric or hidden meaning in the works of Plato, but instead expressed a sort of higher intelligence and ability analogous to talent.[12]

When I attended Unity I developed my own idea of what gnosis meant to me.  It is simply gaining a deeper understanding of myself by paying closer attention to why I do certain things or why I think the way I do.  It is self knowledge and has nothing to do with the 'divine spark' (the Jiminy Cricket, or our conscience)   that each of us has; in other words spirituality has nothing to do with it.   

I have seen many renditions of Gnosis that I mentally rate in acceptance.

Few get full marks, but you are so close.

Congrats.

To your first, A Gnostic can be of any religion. There are Gnostic Muslims, Christians, Jews, etc.

We are basically the irritating left wing heretics in large right religions.

We also push atheists and agnostics to be more militant, given their better ethics stats.

Being better earned us the Greatest inquisition in the old days.

Your last sentence I would argue against.

For me/us to do so, you would have to accept some of my definitions on the divine spark, backed up with Gnostic Christian and Christian quotes.

Briefly, recognizing our dualistic thinking natures and reality, body/soul thinking, we use God as the analogy for our imagined spectral side, and or a mantra to open our inner eye in meditation.

Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Allan Watts explains those quotes in detail.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbesfXXw

95% of us think the same basic way.

Our DNA wants wants us to be the top dog and we thus want to make our God the top dog.

That is we so many adore a genocidal and evil God that even makes demons blush.

Regards
DL