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Started by Hydra009, November 04, 2022, 09:43:27 AM

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Mike Cl

this time around, the Dems had a full slate of positive laws they enacted, and with the backing of most Americans.  Throw in the fact that not one Repub voted for it; an example is the insulin reduction law--not one Repub voted for it.  Why did not every Dem running for office go over all those positive gains every time they stumped???  Why  did Biden mainly sit in DC and not go around the country touting what he has accomplished???? Plus, all the office running Dems did not, also, bring up all the things the Repubs want to do when they win--all negative things and not a single positive action.  They clearly and often stated their goals are to impeach Biden, repeal all the laws he passed, including the lowered insulin (and other meds) prices, take away medicare and social security and other laws to help the people.  They could not even get much reaction to the taking away of abortion rights--at least not much in this election.  In the land of the sane and critical thinking, this election should have been a very clear win for the Dems.  But that is not what has happened.
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Hydra009

Don't forget infrastructure.  Cause apparently a lot of people did.

Everyone says we need to overhaul crumbling infrastructure, Biden and the Dems did a lot of bargaining to make it happen, it's official law, and not a peep about it since.

No wonder MTG and the like hate-tweet about some fake scandal or some fictitious story about kitty litter at some high school (source: trust me bro).  Tweeting lies is easy and apparently acting like a man-child or woman-child is the fastest path to both much-needed attention and votes.  Who cares that it's not reality?  Neither the person spewing lies nor the people lapping it up do.  And the media is likely to just wrap quotes around it and repeat it without really digging into it, at least not quickly, so don't worry about it.  Lying is no longer punished, in fact, it's often rewarded.

Luther Martini

Quote from: Mike Cl on November 09, 2022, 03:44:32 PMIn the land of the sane and critical thinking, this election should have been a very clear win for the Dems.  But that is not what has happened.

I hear you Mike, but I think that the sane and critical thinking are in the too often marginalized and ignored minority.

Quote from: Hydra009 on November 09, 2022, 03:55:45 PMNo wonder MTG and the like hate-tweet about some fake scandal or some fictitious story about kitty litter at some high school (source: trust me bro).  Tweeting lies is easy and apparently acting like a man-child or woman-child is the fastest path to both much-needed attention and votes.  Who cares that it's not reality?  Neither the person spewing lies nor the people lapping it up do.  And the media is likely to just wrap quotes around it and repeat it without really digging into it, at least not quickly, so don't worry about it.  Lying is no longer punished, in fact, it's often rewarded.

Hydra, my wife and I were having a similar conversation this morning.  Lie, cheat, steal, appeal to the worst instincts in people by validating their fears and hatred, and thereby become a folk hero upon whom the masses are willing to bestow an office of leadership. 





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Dark Lightning

FWIW, MTG was stripped of her committee memberships due to her idiocy. It has to be pretty bad, before that happens. I think that the US public has been jerked around for so long that they vote to "own the man", i.e., the gov. Even when the Rs are in office, that seems to be the mindset, even though "the man" fucks them over. One of my sons and I had a conversation about the chump being elected last time, because he disagrees with a lot of what Hilary represents. I asked how she could possibly be worse than the chump, and he cited unmemorable examples. I held my nose and voted, tbh. Hilary wouldn't have got in the way of the Covid-19 debacle, she'd've let the appropriate agencies do their jobs. Hundreds of thousands of lives were at stake...and lost.

Hydra009

Quote from: Dark Lightning on November 09, 2022, 10:27:21 PMHilary wouldn't have got in the way of the Covid-19 debacle, she'd've let the appropriate agencies do their jobs. Hundreds of thousands of lives were at stake...and lost.
She also would've appropriately replaced Ruth Bader Ginsberg (though no doubt Mitch would likely object, saying that you can't replace a judge during an election year), so Americans seeking abortions wouldn't have to cross state or country lines in order to get one or face being forced to give birth by government.

Hydra009

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If it weren't for younger voters leaning Dem, the Dems would have likely lost their elections by a substantial margin.  So there's hope for the future.

But jeez, the Dems surely need to work on both reaching out to young voters and maintaining their good standing, because that very narrow split at age 30-44 doesn't sit right with me.  No doubt there were some radicalizing factors that hit my cohort hard (online disinfo) because it used to be a much, much wider gap.

Hydra009

#36
Meanwhile, the Republicans, who are normally policy wonks (/s) embraced what are essentially KKK talking points in a desperate attempt to...I dunno, curry favor with racists who were already planning on voting for them?  It's very confusing.



Unprompted, Matt Walsh helpfully points out that it's definitely true (why is his first thought that the factual accuracy is disputable?)

Perhaps the presumably disappointing results of this sort of racist disinfo campaign will cause them to reevaluate their tactics moving forwa...*laughs* Oh man, I can't say that with a straight face.

In the next election, expect rhetoric that'll make Uncle Ruckus look like Tom.  If possible, predict that they'll resort to playing the race card, so when they actually do play it, it's more obviously a desperation move and therefore less effective.

SGOS

I believe the best thing Democrats had going this year were Republicans, not what Democrats actually offer.  Apparently, there was the largest turnout of voting Democrats this year in history.  I believe the Republican Party is what energized so many Democrats. Of course the Republican core of Trump supporters are also remarkably energized.  But nothing about the success of either party is much of a testimony to the greatness of America.

Mr.Obvious

I like biden, by and large. I know he isn't always as popular, including here.
But even as a 'supporter', i gotta say, i think it would be better for the country and his party, that he does not run in 2024.
Not because i think he is a bad president. But already because of his age and the risks it entails. He wouldn't be the strongest candidate.
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GSOgymrat

Quote from: Mr.Obvious on November 10, 2022, 02:11:56 PMI like biden, by and large. I know he isn't always as popular, including here.
But even as a 'supporter', i gotta say, i think it would be better for the country and his party, that he does not run in 2024.
Not because i think he is a bad president. But already because of his age and the risks it entails. He wouldn't be the strongest candidate.

I agree. Many Americans are dissatisfied and given his age and because he has been around so long many people see him as a status quo politician. Hillary Clinton needs to not even think about running. The Democrats need someone fresh and preferrable under age 60.

Mr.Obvious

I estimate that there are about 6500 votes uncounted in boeberts district in colorado. (320000 counted, about 2% of total votes to go.) And most of those missing votes seem to be from a more blue area. Saw a large one with only 80% counted. But with thr democrat about 750 votes behind this late in the game, i don't hold out much hope of boebert getting dethroned.
Would be nice though.
A man can dream.
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Hydra009

Probably going to be a recount, so that might take a while. 

Personally, I don't care for Great Value MTG and would like to see her gone, sooner rather than later.

Mr.Obvious

Whilst i don't think it was exactly a victory for democrats, the infighting for republicans and the trumpists especially, might turn it into a pyrhic victory for them. And i am cautiously enjoying the frustration and panic.
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Luther Martini

Quote from: Mr.Obvious on November 12, 2022, 06:49:03 AMWhilst i don't think it was exactly a victory for democrats, the infighting for republicans and the trumpists especially, might turn it into a pyrhic victory for them. And i am cautiously enjoying the frustration and panic.

We still need to be aware that some of the more extreme right wingers are calling for a more oppressive approach to taking over the U.S.  And, they have an alarming amount of support that might very well grow even stronger in the coming months. 

Listen to this Fuentes dude.  It is easy to discount him as some noxious right wing loony, but that would be a mistake...he has an audience, as The Humanist Report's Mike Figueredo explains later in the video, and in the wake of the 2022 elections, Fuentes is pushing the right buttons to fire them up even more:

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aitm

I was actually pleased. I was very worried that the loonies would take over but it seems the quiet majority, albeit smaller are a little more sane than the lunatics, giving us some relief from a blood tide. The infighting for repubs is gonna be delightful. Once, and if desantis calls in, he and trump are going to open the playbook and perhaps, hopefully, many of the nuts will finally get and inside look as to how batty trump was, and perhaps how much they have been led by the nose. I too, hope Biden drops, but he won't, ego is more powerful than humility. I would actually for say Liz Cheney over Biden, but it,would be a tough call, if she ran, her politics would declare how far I would be willing to go. Buttigeig(sp) would be a nice pick, but the repugnuts would hammer on the sexuality until people got tired of it and would be convinced he was going to as many think, Import illegals just to make them trans.....seriously...it's a new conspiracy.
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