Started by ManUfan, November 03, 2022, 05:28:36 PM
Quote from: Luther Martini on November 07, 2022, 10:33:31 AMIn order to better prepare them for facing a world where a large percentage of the population have an impaired ability to think logically and whose judgment is clouded by superstition, I think that young people should learn about the bible under the guidance of a teacher who challenges them to critically evaluate whether or not what they are reading is bullshit.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on November 07, 2022, 02:02:20 PMAssuming Jesus Christ was the son of God and sent to save humanity from itself, wouldn't it have been better to use his eternal life guiding humanity through the ages to be wiser, kinder, and more reverent rather than spending a few years giving advice and then ascending? Just a thought.
Quote from: Blackleaf on November 07, 2022, 04:56:03 PMGod tortured and killed himself so he could justify forgiving us for existing? That does not follow.
Quote from: Mike Cl on November 06, 2022, 03:39:45 PMSo if it is used literally, then I must realize that the people are not ethical or moral--or nice.
QuoteIf it is interpreted then one can make all kinds of claims with no relation to reality and just to gain power.
QuoteOther than that it produces little that is good.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on November 07, 2022, 12:23:20 AMThe Bible is a collection of stories and stories are how we interpret reality. Narrative is everything. Believing that everyone is damn and the only means of salvation is to accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior affects how you interact with others.
QuoteThe narrative that you will be judged by God when you die and if you didn't follow the rules of the Bible you will be punished for eternity causes people untold levels of anxiety.
Quote from: ManUfan on November 07, 2022, 04:02:14 AMBecause it's the word of God.
QuoteIf it's the word, it's the word.. you'd never read a car owners manual and ignore or change the instructions, that'd make the manual useless wouldn't it.
Quote from: Shiranu on November 10, 2022, 06:43:34 PMWhat does "literally" mean? The Bible is contradictory, so it cannot logically be taken literally. I'm presuming you mean the "teachings" and generally more Old Testament - in which case... let's take them literally.----------------------- Prophets summed up, feel free to skip pass if you get the point ;) ----------------------------------------Amos - "Angry shepherd proclaims that empires that exploit the poor, exploit the legally unprotected, who exploit the power for their own gain are cursed by "God" (Goodness) and are destined to fall."Solomon - "No matter how holy the king, no matter how great his possessions, if he wavers from the path of Righteousness - if he no longer treats his people in a way that is seen as good - even the greatest of kings will see it all turned to dust if they are not wise." [This does not even get into the Psalms, Proverbs and Ecclesiastes attributed to him and the wisdom within]Esther - "Woman in power who is compassionate help stops an evil political plot to commit genocide on the Israelite people."Obadiah - "Killing us, enslaving us, and behaving like a bunch of barbaric assholes is going to bite you in the ass one day."Micah - "Seriously, did you not listen to the upset goat herder earlier? You have got to stop living so corruptly, exploiting the workers while you live in palaces like gods. It's going to lead to our downfall."-----------------------------------End of Summaries--------------------------------------All of these are quite important messages today that are read through a literal translation of just the Old Testament; this doesn't even get into the practical value of preserving a people's history in a mass produced text.There is no reason to slit the baby's throat as you toss out the dirty bathwater.Without the Tanakh and Torah... there is no Jewish people, and I think we can at least admit that the world would be a far less pleasant place and far more backwards if that was the case.
Quote from: Shiranu on November 10, 2022, 06:43:34 PMAll of these are quite important messages today that are read through a literal translation of just the Old Testament; this doesn't even get into the practical value of preserving a people's history in a mass produced text.There is no reason to slit the baby's throat as you toss out the dirty bathwater.
Quote from: Shiranu on November 10, 2022, 07:10:33 PMA misunderstanding of eternal life -eternal life of the soul in the world beyond understanding - Jesus the physical entity was not immortal, as made pretty obvious by his death on the cross.