Silliness beyond belief.............

Started by Mike Cl, February 16, 2022, 06:05:21 PM

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Mike Cl

Thousands Of Baptisms Invalidated After Priest Accidentally Used The Wrong Word.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/baptism-wrong-words-invalidated_n_620d14bfe4b097efdfba9a4d

"There is no “we” in baptism; there is an “I,” though.
That difference has invalidated thousands of baptisms performed by an Arizona priest who, since 1995, has accidentally used the phrase “we baptize you” instead of “I baptize you” while performing the Catholic ritual."

Pure idiocy.  But then we are talking about religion.  If their god is singular, yet consists of the father, son and holy ghost--how does one ever know when just one part of the trio is speaking or acting????  Isn't their god actually a 'we' and 'I'????  But then this is religion.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?<br />Then he is not omnipotent,<br />Is he able but not willing?<br />Then whence cometh evil?<br />Is he neither able or willing?<br />Then why call him god?

Cassia

Billions of people on this planet walking around thinking they are talking with someone in their head.

Hydra009

That minor slip of the tongue is sure to disrupt the delicate inner workings of the baptism.  I wouldn't be surprised if this priest were merely dunking babies in ordinary water with no magical effect whatsoever - a shocking deviation from what normally happens.

aitm

“oh noes…..little billy died of cancer after being baptized…and now HE AINT…….whhhaaaaaaaaa
A humans desire to live is exceeded only by their willingness to die for another. Even god cannot equal this magnificent sacrifice. No god has the right to judge them.-first tenant of the Panotheust

Gawdzilla Sama

MoBaps crowing as they're beliefs are immune to such errors.
We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
PZ Myers

drunkenshoe

#5
LOL As far as I know, in Islam, usually when the person doesn't know about this kind of mistakes they are not responsible from it. Isn't there something like that in Christianity?
"I believe you find life such a problem because you think there are good people and bad people. You're wrong, of course. There are, always and only, the bad people, but some of them are on opposite sides." Havelock Vetinari

aitm

Quote from: drunkenshoe on February 18, 2022, 03:52:17 AM
LOL As far as I know, in Islam, usually when the person doesn't know about this kind of mistakes they are not responsible from it. Isn't there something lie that in Christianity?
Who knows? YOU go to hell, YOU go to hell and YOU go to hell…everybody goes to hell…*crowd cheering*
A humans desire to live is exceeded only by their willingness to die for another. Even god cannot equal this magnificent sacrifice. No god has the right to judge them.-first tenant of the Panotheust

the_antithesis

#7
What a fuck-up. If an uneducated bint like Anna "Nina" Morisi can get it right, this guy has no excuse.

Hydra009

Quote from: drunkenshoe on February 18, 2022, 03:52:17 AM
LOL As far as I know, in Islam, usually when the person doesn't know about this kind of mistakes they are not responsible from it. Isn't there something like that in Christianity?
In Christianity, unlike Islam, there's the concept of original sin.

The idea of not holding people responsible for stuff they didn't even do, let alone intentionally or not, is far more reasonable imo.

SGOS

For some reason I was never baptized until I spent a year in Lutheran confirmation classes.  I was eleven at the time, so I was capable of vague understanding and very simple logic.  Having water splashed on my head struck me as incredibly stupid.  I was actually kind of embarrassed during the public ceremony at a mostly filled church.  It never occurred to me that the words had to be said just right for the process to have the proper effect.  People in the church seemed to be pleased though.  The shit we do to make our parents happy and keep peace in the family!  I guess I must have been well on my way to atheism, but still didn't recognize it.  I think you have to take baptism seriously if it's going to work right.

SGOS

It's very important to make sure your priest is not an incompetent dufus. I hope that Arizona guy had malpractice insurance.

GSOgymrat

Pronunciation is everything when casting a spell. He's lucky those babies didn't burst into flames.


drunkenshoe

Quote from: Hydra009 on February 18, 2022, 11:25:14 AM
In Christianity, unlike Islam, there's the concept of original sin.

The idea of not holding people responsible for stuff they didn't even do, let alone intentionally or not, is far more reasonable imo.

I was trying to think in 'religion logic', not looking for something reasonable. The idea is that if someone is not informed about something or informed incorrectly about it, they are not held responsible for the mistake/misunderstanding in one of the religions. So I thought may be there is a similar thing in this religion esp. because since the mistake is not about the original sin itself, but the manner of addressing in a ritual.
"I believe you find life such a problem because you think there are good people and bad people. You're wrong, of course. There are, always and only, the bad people, but some of them are on opposite sides." Havelock Vetinari

Blackleaf

Quote from: drunkenshoe on February 19, 2022, 01:03:53 AM
I was trying to think in 'religion logic', not looking for something reasonable. The idea is that if someone is not informed about something or informed incorrectly about it, they are not held responsible for the mistake/misunderstanding in one of the religions. So I thought may be there is a similar thing in this religion esp. because since the mistake is not about the original sin itself, but the manner of addressing in a ritual.

Christians have a variety of different beliefs. Some believe in an age of accountability, where children under a certain age will go to Heaven no matter what (in which case, aborting children would be the best thing you could do for them). Some think that if you've never heard the Gospel, you won't be judged for not believing (in which case, the most effective way to get someone to go to Heaven would be to hide the Gospel, else they hear it and reject it).
"Oh, wearisome condition of humanity,
Born under one law, to another bound;
Vainly begot, and yet forbidden vanity,
Created sick, commanded to be sound."
--Fulke Greville

SGOS

Quote from: Blackleaf on February 19, 2022, 02:32:29 AM
Christians have a variety of different beliefs.
Ain't that the truth.  As an atheist I don't know which one I'm arguing with.  I get this feeling, I think from my fundamentalist father, who had his own problems with fundamentalism and cooked up some beliefs of his own to adjust for some of his own mental conflicts with the whole mess.  He believed that while there were mutually exclusive beliefs from one sect to another, they were still all correct in each of their beliefs.  However, he was not representative of other fundamentalists who simply believed that the other sects were wrong, even if they might actually be right.  But it's impossible to to explain all the varying beliefs, because each conflicting, illogical, or nutty belief comes down to an individual level, and those people group together into sects, churches, and eventually, smaller church factions who then argue among themselves.

In this turmoil, I as an atheist, have decided that fundamentalism is the most proper Christian sect, because if you're going to bother with the nonsense, and if you claim that the Bible is God's word, as most Christian sects do, then you damn well better believe what comes out of the Bible as it is literally interpreted, without resorting to some pansy ass apologetic.  Then if someone points out a fallacy of self contradiction or whatever other dumb point, then the "true" Christian just says, "Nope sorry," <quotes chapter and verse> and finishes with a smug, "I have spoken."

So that's who I assume I argue with, because as ridiculous as it is, there is actual meat in the conviction, and it's something I can sink my teeth into.  And to the rest of the Christian apologists, I say "Shit or get off the pot."

Is my approach illogical?  Well,... yeah, it is, but we are talking about religion, and it is illogical to try to even intelligently discuss an illogical subject.  So we are forced to work with what we've got.  But you can look to the world of responsible science, where such questions are responded to with statements that we don't deal with explanations that can only be accounted for by supernatural explanations.  They are off the table and cannot be confirmed by anything other than some dumb ass believes it.  They are simply disregarded with a shrug, rather than a long philosophical rant like what makes up most of this post.

But we are all human.  If we insist on closure to everything we don't know, then we have to make shit up.  And that's a lot of shit.