How Christianity Perverts Definitions of Good & Evil

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aitm

Quoting nonsense makes everything better eh?
A humans desire to live is exceeded only by their willingness to die for another. Even god cannot equal this magnificent sacrifice. No god has the right to judge them.-first tenant of the Panotheust

the_antithesis

Every time you quote a bible passage, I believe you less.

Daniel L.

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Quote from: aitm on March 29, 2022, 10:44:43 AMnonsense
Well, that is just your opinion man:

1 John 5:9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.
Quote from: the_antithesis on March 29, 2022, 11:04:03 AMEvery time you quote a bible passage, I believe you less.
Proverbs 8:1 Doth not wisdom cry? and understanding put forth her voice?

4 Unto you, O men, I call; and my voice is to the sons of man.

5 O ye simple, understand wisdom: and, ye fools, be ye of an understanding heart.

6 Hear; for I will speak of excellent things; and the opening of my lips shall be right things.

7 For my mouth shall speak truth; and wickedness is an abomination to my lips.

8 All the words of my mouth are in righteousness; there is nothing froward or perverse in them.

9 They are all plain to him that understandeth, and right to them that find knowledge.

33 Hear instruction, and be wise, and refuse it not.

36 But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.


-I was just showing him what the Bible really says, since there were some here speaking of what they don't know, and talking about what they don't understand. Not knowing what they do:

Luke 23:34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.

Mr.Obvious

Quote from: Daniel L. on March 29, 2022, 08:53:36 AMI understand the majority thinks this way, because they are carnally minded, and were not given to understand it from the Father. But Jesus made it plain and clear, when He taught us:
John 6:56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
60 Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?

-His Blood is His Truth, His Way and His Life. The carnal red blood profiteth nothing, the Words are Spirit:

John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

-The only Blood sacrifice Jesus was involved in, was the True Sacrifice of shedding His Life, His Truth and His Way, which is the Light of the world. All of these are food indeed, and drink indeed, for the Spirit that is. But the carnally minded cannot receive the things of the Spirit, so they think it was a carnal sacrifice where He shed His carnal red blood, which I already showed it is an abomination:

Psalms 51:16 For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it: thou delightest not in burnt offering.
17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.

Hosea 6:6 For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.

Isaiah 1:11 To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the Lord: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.
15 And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.

Proverbs 6:16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

Isaiah 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.

Jeremiah 7:5 For if ye throughly amend your ways and your doings; if ye throughly execute judgment between a man and his neighbour;
6 If ye oppress not the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, and shed not innocent blood in this place, neither walk after other gods to your hurt:
7 Then will I cause you to dwell in this place, in the land that I gave to your fathers, for ever and ever.

Hosea 8:12 I have written to him the great things of my law, but they were counted as a strange thing.
13 They sacrifice flesh for the sacrifices of mine offerings, and eat it; but the Lord accepteth them not; now will he remember their iniquity, and visit their sins: they shall return to Egypt.

Ecclesiastes 5:1 Keep thy foot when thou goest to the house of God, and be more ready to hear, than to give the sacrifice of fools: for they consider not that they do evil.




Well there are a lot of pro stances in the bible regarding blood sacrifice, if i´m not mistaken.
Most of all, though I don't think exclusively, in the old testament.

But not regarding those, i´m capable of believing that you believe the bible tells you that blood sacrifice is an abomination.
In my view, the bible works that way, you can take from it what you bring into it, especially if you keep some blinders on.

Bur you say it yourself. ´-The only Blood sacrifice Jesus was involved in, was the True Sacrifice of shedding His Life, His Truth and His Way, which is the Light of the world.´
Still sounds like a blood sacrifice, to me. And to you apparently. Right? I mean, I don´t know about you per se, but i sure as hell don´t think the story of the death of Jesus was meant to be that God could sacrifice His own flesh and blood of His only begotten son/himself to himself to literally eat the flesh and blood of His son/himself.

And I don´t see how that´s different from sacrificing a scapegoat. Loading all the sins and troubles of the family or the tribe onto one innocent beast of burden and then offering it to the Lord. The intended effect was the same; to cleane the Spirit of those who participated in the ritual. That´s a well know Ancient practice.

I mean, spoiler if you´ve never seen midsommar, but [spoiler] that cult in the movie too performer a blood sacrifice of all the visitors and a few of their own membres, to purify the soul of the clan. It´s fucked up, wend all agree, but the principe is the same.[/spoiler] And I don't reach that conclusion for myself because i´m ´carnally´ minded, but because I understand that especially in Ancient times human understanding of body and spirit were intertwined in ways we nowadays would most likely not link with our current understanding of the world. And that I understand that written text does not evolve, or at least not remotely in the same capacity and at the same speed, as our understanding of the world, leading to the need for mental gymnastics and word games to try to keep on clinging to an outdated concept.
Again. My humble opinion.


But i´m glad to hear you don´t think slaughtering animale or people will bring glory to your God or put you in His favor.
That´s good. That´s a good thing, for sure.
"If we have to go down, we go down together!"
- Your mum, last night, requesting 69.

Atheist Mantis does not pray.

Cassia


And I don´t see how that´s different from sacrificing a scapegoat. Loading all the sins and troubles of the family or the tribe onto one innocent beast of burden and then offering it to the Lord. The intended effect was the same; to cleane the Spirit of those who participated in the ritual. That´s a well know Ancient practice.

Yeah, the entire premise of christianity is immoral. It's like letting old grandma do prison time for the grandson. Christians never look into the secular historicity, origin and literary studies of their allegorical scriptures. Well, because that would be their end of faith. Remember not to rely on your own intelligence.

Daniel L.

Quote from: Mr.Obvious on March 29, 2022, 05:17:53 PMIn my view, the bible works that way, you can take from it what you bring into it, especially if you keep some blinders on.
Yes, you can take almost anything you want from the Bible. But If you take the passages that Honor Him as True, and the ones who dishonor Him as false, you will come to True Knowledge. Because Scripture cannot dishonor Himself, so any passage that dishonors Him is, therefore, not Scripture. So when your brothers want to talk about the passages that dishonor Him, they are not even talking about our True Scripture, they talk about their own:

John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

-Our Scripture tells us there was corruption of the covenant of Levi, and that the blood sacrifices didn't came from Our Father, they came from yours:

Jeremiah 8:8 "How can you say, 'We are wise, And the law of the Lord is with us'? Look, the false pen of the scribe certainly works falsehood.

Malachi 2:8 But ye are departed out of the way; ye have caused many to stumble at the law; ye have corrupted the covenant of Levi, saith the LORD of hosts.

Ezekiel 5:6 And she hath changed my judgments into wickedness more than the nations, and my statutes more than the countries that are round about her: for they have refused my judgments and my statutes, they have not walked in them.

Jeremiah 7:22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:

-And those are not "blinders", it is called having Spiritual Discernment, to be able to hear His True voice, and don't follow after the voice of Strangers:

John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.
Quote from: Mr.Obvious on March 29, 2022, 05:17:53 PMStill sounds like a blood sacrifice, to me.
Not carnal red blood, there is nothing wrong with spreading Truth and Life.
Quote from: Mr.Obvious on March 29, 2022, 05:17:53 PMLoading all the sins and troubles of the family or the tribe onto one innocent beast of burden and then offering it to the Lord.
There you go again, speaking of your own, because our Father doesn't accept such offerings, He hates them:

Proverbs 6:16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

Isaiah 1:11 To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the Lord: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.
15 And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.

-So we both agree on the wickedness of blood sacrifices, so when you bash on blood sacrifices you bash on your own, which is where they came from, not on us. The difference between you and me is that when I saw His death on the Cross, I was filled with remorse, because it is so unfair that the innocent should die like that. But you seem to have a heart of stone, and couldn't care less about justice or the death of the innocent. And while I repent of all my sins for Him, in a True sacrifice of a broken hearth, you keep living in yours, and are liken unto "those who pierced him", a blood sacrificer yourself, aren't you?

Shiranu

QuoteThe sacrifice of Jesus was not a blood sacrifice, I was a True Sacrifice of God:
Psalms 51:17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.


What is your opinion on the Trinity? Is God/Jesus/the Holy Spirit one single entity, or are they three entities that make up one?


If it is the first, then it doesn't make it any less of a blood sacrifice - all it is saying that the "God" aspect of the trinity had a broken heart, not that Jesus' blood was not spilt - an act we "know" happened due to the accounts of the 4 Gospels. If it's the latter, then it is ultimately irrelevant; Jesus is the one making the blood sacrifice, not God, so that line has no bearing to the topic.

The rest is irrelevant because it doesn't matter how much you say you hate something; it is your actions that ultimately affect people, not your words.
Every day is a good day to *remove from server* an autocrat.

Hydra009

Quote from: Daniel L. on March 29, 2022, 06:50:15 PMThe difference between you and me is that when I saw His death on the Cross, I was filled with remorse, because it is so unfair that the innocent should die like that.
And yet Christianity would not exist otherwise, allegedly.  Seems like the sort of thing that a lot of people take very positively.

Only someone with no religious stake - like say, an atheist - would view that sort of torturous execution, especially for dubious offenses, as a barbaric and cruel waste of life rather than some sort of inspirational thing.

Mr.Obvious

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Quote from: Daniel L. on March 29, 2022, 06:50:15 PMYes, you can take almost anything you want from the Bible. But If you take the passages that Honor Him as True, and the ones who dishonor Him as false, you will come to True Knowledge. Because Scripture cannot dishonor Himself, so any passage that dishonors Him is, therefore, not Scripture. So when your brothers want to talk about the passages that dishonor Him, they are not even talking about our True Scripture, they talk about their own:
-Our Scripture tells us there was corruption of the covenant of Levi, and that the blood sacrifices didn't came from Our Father, they came from yours:
-And those are not "blinders", it is called having Spiritual Discernment, to be able to hear His True voice, and don't follow after the voice of Strangers:
Not carnal red blood, there is nothing wrong with spreading Truth and Life. There you go again, speaking of your own, because our Father doesn't accept such offerings, He hates them:
And how do you know that your spiritual discernment is correct? What do you base that on? And what do you bring forth to convince anyone that yours is more accurate than someone elses. Or don't you think that many who call themselves Christians come to different conclusions about different things in the bible, than you?
I'll say for me that, while you claim it's not 'blinders', it does appear in every way to be similar to picking and choosing for things that fit, conform to and add to a premade worldview. And if you would agree with me that other people who claim to be Christians come to different conclusions, regardless of whether they are right to do so or not, can you then not agree that  such mistakes or misguidances can happen? And indeed do, to most people who study the bible. Even people in your own congress might have small differing opinions on what is 'true scripture' and what is not. And three churches over, they most likely do.
So if we can accept that people can be misled, or mistaken or misguided by the Devil (for all I care) into accepting the wrong notions as the right notions... Then to someone who does not even believe in any of the scripture, like me, can you understand that I simply think these mistakes can happen to you just as easily as they might happen to someone else?
I mean, I don't want to assume you think that other Christians think other things than you do, but the fact that they do is in my opinion plain and simple.  And if you think they are wrong, know I just think the same, only for a few people more.
Quote-So we both agree on the wickedness of blood sacrifices, so when you bash on blood sacrifices you bash on your own, which is where they came from, not on us. The difference between you and me is that when I saw His death on the Cross, I was filled with remorse, because it is so unfair that the innocent should die like that. But you seem to have a heart of stone, and couldn't care less about justice or the death of the innocent.
Well, I sure am blessed to have you around to tell me what I think and feel and believe.
Here I was, assured that I was someone with love in my heart who tries, in his own extremely limited way, to make the world a better and more fair place. Who does not believe in an eternal equalizer beyond death, to  make everything right as rain, and who therefor thinks that we should do our utmost best to make this short and  fleeting existence as good and fair for everyone for everyone, exactly because we can't fall back on it being set right after we die. But hey, after two replies on the internet, you seem to have completely psychoanalyzed me and found me to be a heartless psychopath. Thanks.
Look dude, I'm doing my best not to tell you what you think or feel. Indeed I think conversations flow better that way. See, I'm mostly trying to get you to clarify not just what you think, but also why you believe it. That's not going well because of all the scripture you are posting, which is what you believe apparently but does nothing to address why you believe it. But that's okay, for me, for now. I'm a patient man, we can take this step by step.
QuoteAnd while I repent of all my sins for Him, in a True sacrifice of a broken hearth, you keep living in yours, and are liken unto "those who pierced him", a blood sacrificer yourself, aren't you?
I don't see why I would be. I didn't sacrifice Jesus. I didn't ask for Jesus to be sacrificed. I indeed find the entire concept of such a sacrifice to be abhorrent. And if I believed it to be true, I don't think I would accept it. Because I would undoubtedly feel empathic to the man of flesh and blood that has suffered so, but I would not want him to carry my sins for me. If there is such a thing as sin,  it is my burden to bear. I will not have that man suffer on my behalf. And while we could not, in my view, ever set right what would have happened to him, if he were real... We could do the honorable thing and not exploit his death and suffering for personal gain. We could try to live by his example, and try to sacrifice ourselves for others. But never accept someone else's suffering as payment for our own salvation. That, I think would be participating in the blood sacrifice, more than any Neptune-worshipping Roman who drove the nails through his wrists and did not know what he was doing.
Supposedly.

I mean, look at Anne Frank. It's horrible what happened to her and her people. Monstrous. Impossible to set right. Absolutely sickening.
But of her, we know she lived. She was real.
Would it not sicken you to your stomach if I were to now say, that Anne Frank died so that we may live? That she went through hell on earth so that we would not have to face the eternal gas-chambers after death? That she faced the beast and the lake of fire so that we need not? That Anne Frank, an innocent lamb of God, pure and uncorrupted by the world, died for me? And that if we accept that she died for our misgivings and our wickedness, she will not have died in vain.
That would be horrible! It would take away from her who she was a person. I would not want that for her, on my behalf. I doubt anyone here would.
"If we have to go down, we go down together!"
- Your mum, last night, requesting 69.

Atheist Mantis does not pray.

Daniel L.

Quote from: Shiranu on March 29, 2022, 07:12:14 PMWhat is your opinion on the Trinity?
Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:[...]

There are Three Divine Persons, all Three Uncreated Creators, Eternal, And These Three are One. The example is man: Adam, Eve and their son. They are three different persons, but are one family. All three are required in order for the other two to live, so all three must exist in order for them to exist.
Quote from: Shiranu on March 29, 2022, 07:12:14 PMit doesn't matter how much you say you hate something; it is your actions that ultimately affect people, not your words.
Yes, the action of Jesus was: He spread the Truth and Life in His Way, which is the Light of the world, a True Sacrifice of God, a broken heart.
Now, the actions of the priests and pharisees, was murder and shedding innocent blood. So, as you can see, it wasn't Jesus who shed His own innocent blood, He was crucified by others, He didn't crucify Himself did He?



Daniel L.

Quote from: Mr.Obvious on March 30, 2022, 04:32:11 AMAnd how do you know that your spiritual discernment is correct? What do you base that on?
It is based on: Scripture cannot dishonor Himself, He cannot contradict Himself. So, any thing that speak against His righteousness, is therefore, not Scripture, only those who Honor Him and speak of Him as Righteous can be considered Scripture. And I can't be wrong about that. He cannot contradict Himself, or He wouldn't be Perfect. So because He is Perfect in Nature, He cannot contradict Himself.
Quote from: Mr.Obvious on March 30, 2022, 04:32:11 AMI was someone with love in my heart
Do you think you can lie, or are you forbidden by Law from lying. And if you are not under a Law, but do what you will, then you could be lying. And if you could be lying how do expect me to believe anything you say? For all I know you could be lying, right? As for me, I am forbidden by Law from ever lying, and I cannot lie to you, ever.
Quote from: Mr.Obvious on March 30, 2022, 04:32:11 AMI would not want him to carry my sins for me. If there is such a thing as sin,  it is my burden to bear. I will not have that man suffer on my behalf.
This is good to hear, because if you put your money where your mouth is, you would cease from sin, because your sin is also in His burded that He carried to the Cross. So, if you honestly don't want Him to carry your sins for you, you would repent of your sins and be washed clean, and your sins would be forgiven and not a burden for Him to carry, they would be light as Light:

Isaiah 1:18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
Quote from: Mr.Obvious on March 30, 2022, 04:32:11 AMWe could do the honorable thing and not exploit his death and suffering for personal gain. We could try to live by his example, and try to sacrifice ourselves for others. But never accept someone else's suffering as payment for our own salvation.
Yes, you get the message. That is how He takes the sin from the world, at least from all the honest working people like you and me, who don't exploit His death for personal gain and do nothing, but rather follow His example in a True Sacrifice for others, repenting of their sins, feeding the poor, Loving God with all their hearts, and their neighbour as themselves.
-And as for the sacrifice being a payment for our salvation, I'm glad you see that is not the case, a person has to work to get paid, there are no "free gifts", and Scripture also rebukes this idea of "free effortless reward":

Exodus 23:8 And thou shalt take no gift: for the gift blindeth the wise, and perverteth the words of the righteous.

Proverbs 15:27 He that is greedy of gain troubleth his own house; but he that hateth gifts shall live.

Proverbs 17:23 A wicked man taketh a gift out of the bosom to pervert the ways of judgment.

Isaiah 1:23 Thy princes are rebellious, and companions of thieves: every one loveth gifts, and followeth after rewards: they judge not the fatherless, neither doth the cause of the widow come unto them.

Isaiah 5:22 Woe unto them that are mighty to drink wine, and men of strength to mingle strong drink:
23 Which justify the wicked for reward, and take away the righteousness of the righteous from him!


Mr.Obvious

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Quote from: Daniel L. on March 30, 2022, 07:02:36 AMIt is based on: Scripture cannot dishonor Himself, He cannot contradict Himself. So, any thing that speak against His righteousness, is therefore, not Scripture, only those who Honor Him and speak of Him as Righteous can be considered Scripture. And I can't be wrong about that. He cannot contradict Himself, or He wouldn't be Perfect. So because He is Perfect in Nature, He cannot contradict Himself.
Well... You can be wrong about that.  I mean, let alone that this is pure circular reasoning. People with the same reasoning, in base, can and do come to different outcomes. So at least someone must be. Saying that you can't be wrong about that, thus, means nothing.
I mean, even if we concede, purely for argument's sake mind you, that the bible is the perfect word of God and that the parts of scripture that honor him are therefor "true scripture" and those that dishonor God are "false scripture", you and other people who study the bible and us that really don't are all not infallible. For starters, your notion of what text honors or dishonors him, would already be based on a subjective notion of what a God ought to be. A preconceived idea of what perfection would entail. Of your own interpretation of what Justice and righteousness actually are.
QuoteDo you think you can lie, or are you forbidden by Law from lying. And if you are not under a Law, but do what you will, then you could be lying. And if you could be lying how do expect me to believe anything you say? For all I know you could be lying, right? As for me, I am forbidden by Law from ever lying, and I cannot lie to you, ever.
Yes, I can lie. But if I told you that I couldn't , because I was under a Law forbidding me from lying, would you take my word as a valid proof that I could never lie? That seems asinine to me. I'm sure as hell not extending that courtesy to anyone.
That being said, let me make it absolutely clear I'm not saying you are lying. People can believe something wholeheartedly and be convinced that they are absolutely in the right, and still be wrong. That's exactly why it's important to always test your idea's and question your own reasoning. If you do so, you'll still wind up wrong a lot of the time, but you'll be giving it your intellectually honest best go at being as little wrong as possible.
QuoteThis is good to hear, because if you put your money where your mouth is, you would cease from sin, because your sin is also in His burded that He carried to the Cross. So, if you honestly don't want Him to carry your sins for you, you would repent of your sins and be washed clean, and your sins would be forgiven and not a burden for Him to carry, they would be light as Light:
Well, that's a guilt-trip if I ever saw one.
So let me get this straight. 1) I don't ask for Jesus to carry my sins. 2) I take no part in this blood-sacrifice, which's goal it is to  cleanse my spirit. 3) Jesus, the incarnation of the almighty God chooses to carry my sins regardless and is now burdened by them. 4) I have to come to love him and believe in him and trust in him so that he, an allpowerful god, doesn't have to feel burdened by them. Effectively commanding me to take part in this blood-sacrifice because the system he chose to set up in such a way that I myself can't be the sole bearer of my own sins. 5) If I don't let Jesus carry my sins and make them light as light but instead say that he doesn't have to carry them at all, I get to burn in hell forever.
Is that about right?

Quick edit: In order that I don't misrepresent or misinterpret you, I would like to ask a very important question. Well three actually. I do hope you'll respond regarding what you believe. (No quoted scripture necessary, I assure you.). Do you believe the god you believe in to be all-powerful? Do you believe him to be all-knowing? And do you believe him to be the creator of "everything". (If that's to vague a concept, then the universe/multiverse we live in.)
"If we have to go down, we go down together!"
- Your mum, last night, requesting 69.

Atheist Mantis does not pray.

Blackleaf

Mr.Obvious, I don't know why you bother putting so much effort into these replies. You know he's not going to engage honestly with any of your questions. He's just going to cherrypick a few sentences out of your paragraphs and copy/paste the Bible at you.
"Oh, wearisome condition of humanity,
Born under one law, to another bound;
Vainly begot, and yet forbidden vanity,
Created sick, commanded to be sound."
--Fulke Greville

Mr.Obvious

I can´t control what he´ll do and who he wants to be, blackleaf.
I can only portray myself in the way I would like to be treated in kind.


Plus, you know, I do love argueing this stuff.
It's like eating spicy food, I don´t know why I like the burn. But I do.
"If we have to go down, we go down together!"
- Your mum, last night, requesting 69.

Atheist Mantis does not pray.

Daniel L.

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Quote from: Mr.Obvious on March 30, 2022, 09:21:43 AMYou can be wrong about that.
No, Scripture cannot be wrong, He cannot contradict Himself, because He is Perfect. If you think Perfection can contradict Itself, you are just wrong about that.
Quote from: Mr.Obvious on March 30, 2022, 09:21:43 AMYes, I can lie.
There you go, or you could be lying, so you are the last place on earth anyone should go for truth, as a matter of fact, no truth can ever be established or asserted by you, because you could be lying. That is why we need a God who is Perfect and Holy to tell us the Truth, or else we would have none, from ourselves. And the only One who cannnot lie is Jesus. The only way you will ever know a singular sentence to be absolute Truth, is if Jesus said it, or His Father. That is the only way to get absolute infallible Truth, without any possibility of error.
Quote from: Mr.Obvious on March 30, 2022, 09:21:43 AMI myself can't be the sole bearer of my own sins.
Look, you can bear them all you want, but in the end sins must be cleansed, because my Father doesn't like them. You are going to be cleansed either way. So, it would be better for you to forsake them now, and wash yourself in water, than to be purged with fire later. You are trying to make this more confusing than it is, just know and be sure, that Justice exists, wheter you believe it or not, and that you must cease from evil, or evil won't cease from you. This is our Faith:

Revelation 13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

-And God gave you free-will, you can choose whom will ye serve, but if you reject Him, is because your deeds were evil:

John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
Quote from: Mr.Obvious on March 30, 2022, 09:21:43 AMDo you believe the god you believe in to be all-powerful? Do you believe him to be all-knowing?
Yes, yes.
Quote from: Mr.Obvious on March 30, 2022, 09:21:43 AMAnd do you believe him to be the creator of "everything".
He created everything that is good. At the end of the creation week He saw all that He had made was very good. Even the serpent, was just an animal of the field, when He created it. But then the serpent sinned, and mind you, sin was not created by God, sin was created by the serpent and her lusts, who together begat a lie.
So, sin is of the Devil, for he is a liar and the father of it.