How Christianity Perverts Definitions of Good & Evil

Started by Blackleaf, January 08, 2022, 02:46:46 AM

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Blackleaf

One thing Christians--particularly fundamentalists--like to accuse "the world" of doing is calling what is good evil and what is evil good. However, from what I've seen, the opposite is true. Christians often flip good and evil based on nothing but their religious beliefs. Abraham was commended because when God asked him to kill his son as a blood sacrifice, he obeyed. When Lot offers his daughters to a rapey mob in order to protect two total strangers, he's declared to be the only Godly man in the city. The first king of Israel was replaced by God because when he was ordered to kill every man, woman, child, and animal in a city, he only killed some of them.

So what are we to learn from these examples? That blind obedience to God is all that matters? It doesn't matter who dies or who gets hurt, as long as you do whatever God says, exactly how he tells you to do it?

Christians will tell us that we have no basis for morality, because we don't have a god's laws to give us an objective standard to live by. But holy crap. Given all the horrible things God has asked people to do, are we seriously supposed to accept that it is a bad thing that we don't have some bloodthirsty tyrant telling us what to do?

At the end of the day, both Christians and atheists base their morality on the same things: empathy and a sense of fairness. Where their morality conflicts with their religion, they make excuses for the Bible. Why would they do that, if their God is really the basis for their morality?

But of course, Christians and atheists don't agree on all of our moral values. Often, these are in cases where their lives aren't personally affected. Straight, CIS Christians declaring the LGBTQ+ as evil because the Bible says so. Christian men equating abortion with murder, despite their God having no problem with killing babies in the Bible, and even providing a ritual for men to force their wives to abort when they suspect their wives of cheating.

When Christians do good things, they do it believing there's an omniscient god watching over them, who will reward them. When atheists do good things, they do it simply out of the goodness of their hearts, with no expectation of a divine reward. Which is more commendable?

Imagine this. An angel stands at the gates of Heaven, deciding who gets to go in. An atheist walks up, and the angel says, "You tipped well, you were a good husband and father, and you were a generally kind person to everyone around you. But unfortunately, you didn't think that God existed, so off to eternal torture you go."

Then a Christian walks up, and the angel says, "You were a drug dealing pimp. You regularly beat your wife and children in drunken rages. You never got caught, and never made amends with any of the people you've hurt. But...you accepted Jesus into your heart while on your deathbed, so you're good! Come on in!"

Christians believe this actually happens in the afterlife, and we're the ones who get good and evil backwards???
"Oh, wearisome condition of humanity,
Born under one law, to another bound;
Vainly begot, and yet forbidden vanity,
Created sick, commanded to be sound."
--Fulke Greville

Greatest I am

Quote from: Blackleaf on January 08, 2022, 02:46:46 AM
One thing Christians--particularly fundamentalists--like to accuse "the world" of doing is calling what is good evil and what is evil good.


Christians believe this actually happens in the afterlife, and we're the ones who get good and evil backwards???

I show Christians this for discussion/debate, but they never return.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNcRXeCzpno

Getting a Christian to discuss morals is like pulling teeth.

Christians know that they have poor morals but do not seem to care.

Regards
DL

Hydra009

Quote from: Greatest I am on January 16, 2022, 03:55:11 PMI show Christians this for discussion/debate, but they never return.
Looking at the thumbnail, I can see why lol

Cassia

Quote from: Hydra009 on January 16, 2022, 04:12:13 PM
Looking at the thumbnail, I can see why lol
It's a kind of a cool gothy look, I like it. Plus, he's got to compete with 100's of other youtube meta physicists for subs, so a little cosplay probably helps. After all he has solved "Consciousness and Quantum Mechanics"; so, I'll give him a break for being such a genius.
It's great how the woo peddlers are always such experts in Consciousness and Quantum Mechanics, but don't know shit about plain old boring physics and calculus. That's because when you actually earn an advanced degree in science or engineering you are fucking humbled.

Blackleaf

I've found it's hard to get Christians to view any video you share. They'll rarely even acknowledge it. I understand if it's long, but if it's short, it makes no difference.
"Oh, wearisome condition of humanity,
Born under one law, to another bound;
Vainly begot, and yet forbidden vanity,
Created sick, commanded to be sound."
--Fulke Greville

Greatest I am

Quote from: Blackleaf on January 17, 2022, 02:34:28 AM
I've found it's hard to get Christians to view any video you share. They'll rarely even acknowledge it. I understand if it's long, but if it's short, it makes no difference.

I find it hard to get any Christian to debate morals.

They know they do not have good arguments and just keep running away.

Not just from me, but any moral discussion by most.

Let's face it. If they had decent morals arguments, they would use them instead of inquisitions, or their modern low level mental inquisitions of homophobia and misogyny.

Regards
DL



Daniel L.

#6
Quote from: Blackleaf on January 08, 2022, 02:46:46 AMblood sacrifice

If the Scripture dishonors Him, it is not Scripture, because He can't contradict Himself.
What you missed about blood sacrifice in the bible, is that it is not allowed, it is wicked and abominable:

1 Samuel 15:22 And Samuel said, Hath the Lord as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the Lord? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.

-Blood Sacrifice is leaven from the pharisees:

Matthew 16:12 Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.

Ezekiel 5:6 And she hath changed my judgments into wickedness more than the nations, and my statutes more than the countries that are round about her: for they have refused my judgments and my statutes, they have not walked in them.

-Corruption of the covenant of Levi:

Malachi 2:8 But ye are departed out of the way; ye have caused many to stumble at the law; ye have corrupted the covenant of Levi, saith the LORD of hosts.

-Blood Sacrifice is not what our Father in Heaven wants:

Psalms 51:16 For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it: thou delightest not in burnt offering.
17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.

Hosea 6:6 For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.

Matthew 12:7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.

Isaiah 1:11 To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the Lord: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.

-Blood Sacrifice was not commanded by our Father:

Jeremiah 7:22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:

-Blood sacrifice is "of fools" and evil:

Ecclesiastes 5:1 Keep thy foot when thou goest to the house of God, and be more ready to hear, than to give the sacrifice of fools: for they consider not that they do evil.

-Blood sacrifice is an abomination:

Proverbs 6:16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

Isaiah 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.

Shiranu

#7
QuoteWhat you missed about blood sacrifice in the bible, is that it is not allowed, it is wicked and abominable:


So his son wasn't sacrificed for mankind's sins and would find the significance placed on it sinful?
Every day is a good day to *remove from server* an autocrat.

Cassia

I'll fix this, LOL. Without Eve we would all live nakid in the garden...
Quote from: Shiranu on March 12, 2022, 03:55:47 PMSo his son wasn't sacrificed for manwomankind's sins and would find the significance placed on it sinful?
That's the whole deal, right? Vicarious redemption. Lay your sins on the altar of christ. Then go on sinners and do some more, we are hopeless. Not a coincidence the biggest believers are usually complete assholes.

Mike Cl

Haaaaa..............another drive by.  What fun. 

Hey, Danny boy, what you missed is that the entire bible is fiction created by man to control their fellow men--and especially women. 
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?<br />Then he is not omnipotent,<br />Is he able but not willing?<br />Then whence cometh evil?<br />Is he neither able or willing?<br />Then why call him god?

aitm



If the Scripture dishonors Him, it is not Scripture, because He can't contradict Himself.
What you missed about blood sacrifice in the bible, is that it is not allowed, it is wicked and abominable

And yet the entire book of Deuteronomy is about god telling his peeps what animal sacrifices he wants to forgive certain sins. Seems like the omniscient one changed his mind...lolol
A humans desire to live is exceeded only by their willingness to die for another. Even god cannot equal this magnificent sacrifice. No god has the right to judge them.-first tenant of the Panotheust

the_antithesis

Why do christians not even read their own bible?

Blackleaf

Quote from: the_antithesis on March 13, 2022, 12:04:33 PMWhy do christians not even read their own bible?


The more they read, the more barbaric shit they have to do mental gymnastics with. Much easier just to have the Bible read to you by a pastor who can misinterpret it for you. Or even go with one of those Bible reading plans, if you only want the easily digestible stuff. With the latter, you can even pretend to have done your own study.
"Oh, wearisome condition of humanity,
Born under one law, to another bound;
Vainly begot, and yet forbidden vanity,
Created sick, commanded to be sound."
--Fulke Greville

SGOS

Quote from: the_antithesis on March 13, 2022, 12:04:33 PMWhy do christians not even read their own bible?

I think it's because it's poor literature, and much of it is written in a style becoming of grade school. I was bored with it as a youngster, and in my teens, I read the New Testament that came out in modern English, and I found that doable.  But Yea and Nay, begot, and King James word order is of no interest to me.

Years later, I was visiting my aunt and she had a bible sitting out in the living room, It had a book marker in it and was at the story of David and Goliath.  I would recommend everyone here to find that and read it.  It's not very long and it is neither well written or interesting, at least to me as an adult when I read it again.  And this is supposed to be one of the most classic and inspiring parts of the Bible.

the_antithesis

Well, in the old testament, books like Leviticus, for example, are lists of shit. It's not stories. It's like reading the phone book or the tax code, because that's what it is, basically. Leviticus is the third book, IIRC after Genesis and Exodus. So Star Wars wasn't the first to go to shit with the second sequel.

Yeah, I tried reading the entire bible at one point and that's where I gave the fuck up. Most people probably do, I could imagine.