Why is God such a punk ass bitch?

Started by Atcherkeet57, June 09, 2021, 01:23:04 PM

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Greatest I am

Quote from: trdsf on June 09, 2021, 09:28:33 PMI haven't had that problem since I left the Catholic church, which is a mental chamber of horrors all unto itself.  I certainly didn't have that problem while I was a practicing Wiccan since the general conception of the Pagan gods isn't about humiliation, guilt and other forms of psychological abuse.

And now the problem is non-existent!

Nice that you got out.

A shame you did not go Gnostic Christian as I did.

I mean that in the sense that we have to make immoral religions, --- that continue to harm many, our business.

I see atheists as doing the same now that they are forming atheist churches.

We have had enough of inquisitions and jihads.

Regards
DL



Greatest I am

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Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on June 10, 2021, 01:34:33 AMI've never been religious. What's a god?

It should be you.

If it is and you step up, in religious terms, you are a Gnostic Christian.

Compliment meant.

What do you call or name as your epitome or ideal representation of a person?

It should be you saying, I am.

Modern Gnostic Christians name our god "I am", and yes, we do mean ourselves.

You are your controller. I am mine. You represent and present whatever mind picture you have of your God or ideal human, and so do I.

The name "I Am" you might see as meaning something like, --- I think I have grown up thanks to having forced my apotheosis through Gnosis and meditation and "I am", represents the best rules and laws that we have found to live by.

In Gnostic Christianity, we follow the Christian tradition that Christians have forgotten that they are to do. That is, become brethren to Jesus.

That is why some say that the only good Christian is a Gnostic Christian.

Here is the real way to salvation that Jesus taught.

Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.
   
John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Allan Watts explain those quotes in detail.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Alan+Watts+-+On+The+Book+of+Eli+-+YouTube&view=detail&mid=BB8609345002FC70226BBB8609345002FC70226B&FORM=VIRE

Joseph Campbell shows the same esoteric ecumenist idea in this link.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=On+Becoming+an+Adult+-+YouTube&qs=n&sp=-1&pq=on+becoming+an+adult+-+youtube&sc=0-30&sk=&cvid=FA4E6E064BBC4B45A59060139A208106&ru=%2fsearch%3fq%3dOn%2bBecoming%2ban%2bAdult%2b-%2bYouTube%26qs%3dn%26form%3dQBRE%26sp%3d-1%26pq%3don%2bbecoming%2ban%2badult%2b-%2byoutube%26sc%3d0-30%26sk%3d%26cvid%3dFA4E6E064BBC4B45A59060139A208106&view=detail&mmscn=vwrc&mid=C926ABA4996EE0AB5FC4C926ABA4996EE0AB5FC4&FORM=WRVORC

The bible just plainly says to put away the things of children. The supernatural and literal reading of myths.

Gnosis enlightens adults.

Regards
DL


Greatest I am

Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on June 10, 2021, 01:34:33 AMI've never been religious. What's a god?

I like this poem, from my non worshiping kind of guy POV, but this guy shows himself to be an idol worshiper.

The opposite to Gnostic Christianity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkZg1ZflpJs

Regards
DL

Greatest I am

Quote from: aitm on June 12, 2021, 09:46:23 AMBecause the person(s) that invented your god and wrote all the bat shit crazy stories about him were bullies and never god laid...hence so much hatred for women as well.

No argument.

All men, and that is why intelligent men will give women more credit for moral thinking.

Elect Goddesses whenever you can.

Regards
DL

Mike Cl

Quote from: Greatest I am on April 25, 2022, 03:32:07 PMTough love.

You do not like the predation God does to man because you do not see it's worth.

Think coral reef inhabitants.

The stress of shark/God predation greatly improves the productivity of the reef.

How can God make man better?

By challenging us in some way.

All living organisms and species seem to stress themselves somehow, as well as suffering the stress imposed by other predations.

In the case of atheists being told they are immoral for not kissing a certain God's ass, perhaps that stress is what has helped made you guys more moral, peaceful and law abiding than the brain dead supernatural God believers. 

Take a bow for catching up to Gnostic Christians now that atheist chgurches are opening up.

Regards
DL

God is perfect--or that is what the believers of all stripes say.  How can god make humans better, you ask?  If god is perfect how can he create imperfection; only if he wants to.  So, apparently he does not want to have humans be perfect (and by what measure?  Who creates that measure???) because he created them flawed.  According to you, the baby born with spinal bifida must be perfect for he/she was created by your perfect god.  Your god never was able to create perfection of any kind, at any time.  That, alone, shows that he is not perfect and in fact rather crass and cruel.  He does not need the devil as a foil to him for he is the devil; he fully acts like it and seems to relish causing pain and suffering.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?<br />Then he is not omnipotent,<br />Is he able but not willing?<br />Then whence cometh evil?<br />Is he neither able or willing?<br />Then why call him god?

drunkenshoe

Quote from: Atcherkeet57 on June 09, 2021, 01:23:04 PMGod always annoys you, puts you down, and embarrasses you. Why does he do that?

Because people who live/vision life according to some deity are like small children. So they are annoyed, embarrassed by their parent at every turn and then whine, throw tantrums most of the time.
"I believe you find life such a problem because you think there are good people and bad people. You're wrong, of course. There are, always and only, the bad people, but some of them are on opposite sides." Havelock Vetinari

the_antithesis

Quote from: Atcherkeet57 on June 09, 2021, 01:23:04 PMGod always annoys you, puts you down, and embarrasses you. Why does he do that?
It's called grooming. It's what internet predators do to lure children into sexual relations. God does the same thing.

trdsf

Quote from: Greatest I am on April 25, 2022, 04:32:54 PMNice that you got out.

A shame you did not go Gnostic Christian as I did.
Why would I return to any form of Christianity, or any other religion?  I live in a rational world, not a magical one.  I don't have to take things on faith, I can examine the evidence.  I don't follow up "I don't know" with "therefore woo", I follow it up with "let's find out" -- and I can accept "I don't know" as an answer.  I don't like it, but I can accept it, because sometimes it's the only honest answer.  I do not pretend to know things I do not and can not know.  My world view is honest and uncluttered and relies on data and observation.

You can not offer me anything more satisfying or more demonstrably real than that.
"My faith in the Constitution is whole, it is complete, it is total, and I am not going to sit here and be an idle spectator to the diminution, the subversion, the destruction of the Constitution." -- Barbara Jordan

Greatest I am

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Quote from: Mike Cl on April 25, 2022, 08:37:35 PMGod is perfect--or that is what the believers of all stripes say.  How can god make humans better, you ask?  If god is perfect how can he create imperfection; only if he wants to.  So, apparently he does not want to have humans be perfect (and by what measure?  Who creates that measure???) because he created them flawed.  According to you, the baby born with spinal bifida must be perfect for he/she was created by your perfect god.  Your god never was able to create perfection of any kind, at any time.  That, alone, shows that he is not perfect and in fact rather crass and cruel.  He does not need the devil as a foil to him for he is the devil; he fully acts like it and seems to relish causing pain and suffering.

Was this for me?

All new issues, with no comment on the previous.

Perhaps I am reading you wrong, given that I do not know or have spoken of what you say is y perfect God.

Redo your reply or -----

As to perfect. I do not recall using it.

Best best possible end is what I like to use.

Regards
DL

Greatest I am

Quote from: trdsf on April 27, 2022, 01:11:25 AMWhy would I return to any form of Christianity, or any other religion?  I live in a rational world, not a magical one.  I don't have to take things on faith, I can examine the evidence.  I don't follow up "I don't know" with "therefore woo", I follow it up with "let's find out" -- and I can accept "I don't know" as an answer.  I don't like it, but I can accept it, because sometimes it's the only honest answer.  I do not pretend to know things I do not and can not know.  My world view is honest and uncluttered and relies on data and observation.

You can not offer me anything more satisfying or more demonstrably real than that.

You are correct, if you do not think in a substance dualism way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IqYHiejTVM

There is more to us than what you see, and I do not mean anything supernatural.

We have no argument though.

I am not what you think I am and Gnostic Christianity is not the religion you think it is.

Regards
DL




FreethinkingSceptic

Quote from: Greatest I am on April 25, 2022, 04:32:54 PMNice that you got out.

A shame you did not go Gnostic Christian as I did.

I mean that in the sense that we have to make immoral religions, --- that continue to harm many, our business.

I see atheists as doing the same now that they are forming atheist churches.

We have had enough of inquisitions and jihads.

Regards
DL



So basically, the OP is asserting objective moral standards and definitions which would lead one to describe "God" as a "punk-ass bitch".

Though the topic isn't really about "God", it's actually about making an assertion of immorality against a certain church or man-made institution.

Namely, some antisocial take on "guilting" or "humiliating" others (which as far as human nature goes, is not a behavior exclusive to any "church", Catholic or otherwise, nor something even mentioned or beseeched of people in texts such as the Bible).

As well as a condemnation of "crusades" and "inquisitions" - when likewise such types of behavior are not exclusive to any "religion", such as in the case of Hitler's concentration camps and Stalin's gulags.

FreethinkingSceptic

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Quote from: Greatest I am on April 25, 2022, 04:32:54 PMI certainly didn't have that problem while I was a practicing Wiccan since the general conception of the Pagan gods isn't about humiliation, guilt and other forms of psychological abuse.
And what if the converse was true?

What if a church, cult, or sect didn't have enough conception of "guilt" for being a rapist, a murderer, a pedophile, a terrorist and so on? Or didn't have any sense of guilt towards the ideas of having crusades and inquisitions?

Also, this seems to be conflating "guilt" in the sense of self-centered feelings of humiliation or embarrassment with genuine reflection and remorse.

Greatest I am

Quote from: FreethinkingSceptic on May 22, 2022, 04:15:30 PMAnd what if the converse was true?

What if a church, cult, or sect didn't have enough conception of "guilt" for being a rapist, a murderer, a pedophile, a terrorist and so on? Or didn't have any sense of guilt towards the ideas of having crusades and inquisitions?

Also, this seems to be conflating "guilt" in the sense of self-centered feelings of humiliation or embarrassment with genuine reflection and remorse.

I do not know where you got this, but I never said it.

Regards
DL

trdsf

Quote from: Greatest I am on May 22, 2022, 03:01:56 PMThere is more to us than what you see, and I do not mean anything supernatural.
What, precisely?  There isn't anything more to us than that we're self-replicating molecular machines made possible, but not inevitable, by physics and chemistry and biology.  What more -- and I mean what more that is concrete and demonstrable -- is there?

And why isn't it remarkable enough that we are, as Carl Sagan so eloquently put it, "star stuff contemplating star stuff"?  what more can you possibly need?
"My faith in the Constitution is whole, it is complete, it is total, and I am not going to sit here and be an idle spectator to the diminution, the subversion, the destruction of the Constitution." -- Barbara Jordan