Started by arch warmonger, April 18, 2021, 04:59:09 PM
Quote from: arch warmonger on April 26, 2021, 11:21:35 AMNice leaked audio of a shouting match between Biden and left-wing activists.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on April 26, 2021, 03:56:17 PMWill Krystal's prediction come to pass that if Biden doesn't give progressives what they want the Democrats will tank in 2022? I have no idea.
Quote from: SGOS on April 27, 2021, 07:36:13 AMI don't fit well in any of those categories. Someone would have to scrunch me into one of them they thought was closest. I do not consider myself liberal on economic issues, except that big spending is necessary to end recessions. So I don't fit well at that extreme. The other end is a horrible fit. And in the middle looks politically correct but pragmatically wishy washy. But "liberal on economic issues" is loaded with meanings and contexts. To a Republican, big spending is always good if its motive is to create tax breaks. Democrats are known for big spending, but that's not fair. They just spend a lot of the money differently. I'm financially cautious by nature. It's the way I run my own life. How that method applies to government, I'm not sure. So that particular issue prevents my access to the liberal end. Never-the-less, those "which group do you belong in" puzzles are fun. This is where we could use Baruch's help. He's life's work is classifying others, and he could settle it all right now. But we would have to add Fascist Commie Pinko to the categories, or he wouldn't know where to put anyone.
Quote from: Shiranu on April 27, 2021, 12:27:23 PMI think it's more for elected officials than voters; I certainly don't fall under any of those categories, and the last year or so has really pushed my ideology firmly into "Marxist, but willing to compromise with Moderates on most issues" camp.Which is also why I am far more annoyed nowadays when people call liberals "leftists", because if liberals are "radically left" then we are actually fucked.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on April 26, 2021, 11:39:55 PMThis from 2019 but according to FiveThirtyEight, there are six wings of the Democratic party:The Super ProgressivesVery liberal on economic and identity/cultural issues, anti-establishment. (Anti-establishment is a very fuzzy term, but in this piece, what Iâ€™m referring to is people who see part of their role as not just attacking Republicans, but also highlighting what they see as shortcomings of the Democratic Party itself.)Prominent examples: Ocasio-Cortez , Rep. Ilhan Omar of Minnesota, Rep. Mark Pocan of Wisconsin, Rep. Ayanna Pressley of Massachusetts, Rep. Rashida Tlaib of Michigan.The Very ProgressivesVery liberal on economic issues, fairly liberal on identity issues, skeptical of the Democratic establishment.Prominent examples: Bill de Blasio, Sen. Jeff Merkley of Oregon, Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren.The Progressive New GuardLiberal on both economic and identity issues but also somewhat concerned about the â€œelectabilityâ€ of candidates and the appeal of ideas to the political center; generally rose to prominence after Barack Obama was elected president.Prominent examples: Stacey Abrams, Cory Booker, Pete Buttigieg, Julian Castro, Kamala Harris, Jay Inslee, Beto Oâ€™Rourke.The Progressive Old GuardSolidly center-left on both economic and identity issues, but very concerned about the â€œelectabilityâ€ of candidates and the appeal of ideas to the political center; generally rose to prominence before Obama was elected president.Prominent examples: Joe Biden, Cuomo, Dianne Feinstein, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer.The ModeratesMore conservative and business-friendly than other Democrats on economic policies; somewhat liberal on cultural issues; anti-establishment.Prominent examples: Rep. Josh Gottheimer of New Jersey, Rep. Conor Lamb of Pennsylvania, Rep. Abigail Spanberger of Virginia.Conservative DemocratsSkeptical of liberal views on both economic and cultural issues; often supportive of abortion limits; generally from conservative-leaning areas.Prominent examples: Louisiana Gov. John Bel Edwards, West Virginia Sen. Joe Manchin.