Started by arch warmonger, April 18, 2021, 04:59:09 PM
Quote from: arch warmonger on April 21, 2021, 09:15:01 AMOr maybe nobody actually believes in "equality", they believe in having more for themselves, America's founding "fathers" included. Maybe "equality" is only ever used as a trojan horse for their own lust for power. In the age of faith, religion was the opium of the masses. Afterwards, it was ambition, or rather, the hope that you would one day become the next Rockefeller, the next Napoleon, the next Stalin.
QuoteYou can have more equality or less equality, and you can work toward either, but I think most people want more, until I think about those yahoos that wanted to take over the nations capitol. They just wanted to take what they wanted, to steal or negate the votes of others as it pleased them, so maybe only slightly more than half want things to be fair (or more equal). But to say "nobody" I would disagree with.
Quote from: arch warmonger on April 21, 2021, 09:15:01 AMOr maybe nobody actually believes in "equality", they believe in having more for themselves, America's founding "fathers" included.
Quote from: arch warmonger on April 21, 2021, 10:01:37 AMThey believe in "equality" because they seem themselves as the "underdog" in the grand scheme of things, or because they think "virtue" signalling about such things might earn them a following, no other reason.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on April 21, 2021, 10:37:13 AMDo you believe in equality and, if so, do you perceive yourself as an underdog?
Quote from: SGOS on April 21, 2021, 10:43:19 AMYou really believe that so intensely? We will agree to disagree. Give me the virtual signalers then. I'll take virtue over self indulgence and greed any day of the week.
Quote from: arch warmonger on April 21, 2021, 10:45:51 AMThere are about a billion things more important than equality,
Quote from: arch warmonger on April 21, 2021, 10:45:51 AMAnd "virtue" is very compatible with greed and self-indulgence.
Quote from: SGOS on April 21, 2021, 12:51:50 PMYeah, I remember that Wall Street pitch from years ago,"Greed is Good." It's got a comfortable flow to the words and it fits on a bumper sticker, but I thought it was a load of horse shit.
Quote from: arch warmonger on April 21, 2021, 01:42:16 PMAnd yes, "equality" has generally been used as a pretext for allowing the losers of society to terrorize everybody else. So yes, it is 100% consistent with greed and self-indulgence.
Quote from: Mike Cl on April 21, 2021, 02:30:16 PMI don't see the 'losers of society' (that has many ways to be defined) that are terrorizing everybody else, but I do see the 1%'ers as doing that. Corps and the ultra wealthy have been doing it for decades. Equality is a slippery word. It is kind of like the word beauty--it is defined as the user wishes. I think a fair society is what to shoot for; fair in the sense that everybody has a fair set of opportunities to live their own life as they want within the rules of the society they live in. And yes, that has to be better defined, as well.
Quote from: arch warmonger on April 21, 2021, 02:40:53 PMFine. 1%'ers are fucking us over. Fair enough. But the lumpenproles are blocking roads, pulling people out of their cars, etc. Who in their right mind wants that.
Quote from: Mike Cl on April 21, 2021, 03:30:16 PMYep, the lumpenproles (where did you get that one??:)) are stupid and if nothing else, there are a huge number of stupid in this country. I am very weary of them, that's for sure. But the 1% are draining the life out of the country and partly by controlling the lumpenproles. I don't like either group! A pox on both their houses.