Started by pumita92, April 03, 2021, 11:15:36 AM
Quote from: pumita92 on April 04, 2021, 10:31:24 AMThe THOUGHT is the key by which your level of consciousness is able to rise into previously unknown levels and experience life so beautiful that you had no idea even existed, let alone has been accessible WITHIN you for eternity.
Quote from: Mike Cl on April 04, 2021, 01:19:44 PMJust pronouncements and not a whiff of any data to support your whimsy. And you do like to use falsehoods as they are facts. The fact is, you have nothing to demonstrate what you are claiming except your own fictions and whimsy. You want what you say to be true, so you think it is. Debating/arguing/discussions are a major way I gain knowledge and is a great way to figure out if what I think are facts really are facts--run my ideas through others and see if they can punch holes in my 'facts'.
Quote from: pumita92 on April 04, 2021, 01:56:19 PMWhat you think is not important. What's important is the level of consciousness you live in.Only a shift in the level of consciousness will create true and lasting positive change in an individual. Only a shift in the level of consciousness can move one from a state of anger and bitterness to a state of peace and love. And this is available to EVERYONE, given they are ready and willing.You are unable to truly listen because you are only paying attention to your own thought patterns. This is not an attack, I'm merely pointing out the obvious. You are unable to even read this message. You are only reading what you think I'm saying, and thus unable to truly HEAR. HEARING is different from hearing. Just like THOUGHT is different from thought.HEARING requires great awareness. You must be willing and able to SEE through the incessant activity of your own thinking. Only from a tranquil mind can you absorb something new. If the mind is not tranquil, you will only hear the voice of your own activity of thought, and thus will live in a perpetual state of those thought patterns. Whatever anger, insecurity, or bitterness you feel will be a perpetual experience until you realize this.There are beautiful secrets buried within your consciousness. Secrets you have access to even in this very moment save the thinking that's obscuring it. You have access to transform from a reality of pain, insecurity, and anger to a reality of peace, beauty, wisdom, and good feelings. You already have it in you.You must TRANSCEND your own thought patterns. Or else you will be unable to SEE anything new. You will be unable to SEE the truth because your vision will be contaminated with the activity of the conditioned thought patterns.What you think is true is only what you think is true. The evidence you see outside you is a demonstration of the power of thought in action. The thought patterns you identify with combined with the power of MIND create an ILLUSION of reality. This is what you live in. You live inside an illusion of thought that appears real because of MIND. This is why other people appear stupid to you, because you do not understand that the power of MIND is working within them too, creating an illusion for them just like it's creating an illusion for you.It appears as though you seeing reality when in reality you are only seeing THOUGHT.
Quote from: Cassia on April 04, 2021, 03:54:54 PMAnyone who is telling others how to live when no one is asking is the one who can't HEAR. This group of people (preachers included) always make the most egregious of assumptions. Generally my experience shows it's likely a person of lower IQ and lower empathy who believes they have it all figured out with some lame ass epiphany, void of facts and full of feel good nonsense or dire warnings.
Quote from: Mike Cl on April 04, 2021, 02:47:14 PMRepeating your whimsy over and over and in bold letters does not make it so. It is whimsy. Empirical data is what gets one to reality. Your world is a creation of whimsy--if that is not so, prove it by giving me data for any of it. It does appear to you that you are seeing reality, when in reality you are only seeing WHIMSY.
Quote from: aitm on April 04, 2021, 07:45:59 AMâ€œGod is loveâ€But Iâ€™m gonna give your child spinal bifada to prove my love, but please pray to me to heal him. Iâ€™m going to allow thousands of you murder each other over a discussion of my characters, but please pray to me for deliverance from their evil. Iâ€™m going to let little boys and girls be raped sodomized and butchered while you argue over my nature, but please pray to me to stop it. LOL arenâ€™t I a loving and caring god?By the way, donâ€™t look now but I also gave you tiny little creatures so small that you canâ€™t see them and they will kill millions of you whether you pray or not. LOL, nothing says love like completely fucking up your lives.
Quote from: pumita92 on April 04, 2021, 06:15:26 PMMike, my friend, I cannot prove anything to you. You have decided how the world looks to you. I cannot change your mind for you. Only you can change your mind.I have great appreciation for you, Mike. And I sincerely appreciate you taking the time to post. You might think I'm being sarcastic, but I'm not. You are welcome to post. You are welcome to express however you feel. I will not judge you. Thank you.
Quote from: pumita92 on April 04, 2021, 10:31:24 AMExperience is made out of CONSCIOUSNESS, THOUGHT, and MIND. MIND being the universal intelligence of all creation. THOUGHT is what determines the experience, and CONSCIOUSNESS is what allows us to awake to creation.We are not living in a world of facts, we are living in a world of THOUGHT. You already know this. You true nature, your BEING, is COMPLETELY beyond this world. Deep in you you already know this. You are a spiritual being having a human experience. CONSCIOUSNESS is BEFORE form. CONSCIOUSNESS is the empty canvas through which MIND paints using THOUGHT and creates EXPERIENCE.Don't try to make sense of this. Nothing I said above can intellectualized. Nothing can be made into concepts. It's pointless to debate. SEEING obliterates all concepts. SEEING requires no belief. SEEING is a natural ability you have within you. MIND - the universal spirit of life - is already working within you. MIND is already bringing you to higher levels.Let go of old patterns of thought and MIND will automatically bring you to higher levels of consciousness where you will be able to understand the secret to life. It's already within you, it's just OBSCURED by the contamination of thought patterns brought on through living a human experience, but it is revealed when you allow those patterns to fall away.The only thing you need to know is that THOUGHT is what will take you to new levels of SEEING. THOUGHT is the key by which your level of consciousness is able to rise into previously unknown levels and experience life so beautiful that you had no idea even existed, let alone has been accessible WITHIN you for eternity.
Quote from: pumita92 on April 04, 2021, 06:27:40 PMAitm - I don't know your real name but thank your posting. I appreciate you sincerely and I would like to address your anger.You are innocent.LOVE would never make the world you see through your eyes. The pain, the suffering, the hatred, the killing. LOVE would never do that.This is why it takes great awareness to see that what you see through your eyes is not LOVE, but an illusion made from THOUGHT which obscures LOVE. You are not seeing reality, you are seeing what you think the reality is.You see people in bodies victims to others, oppressed, tortured. This is all like a movie playing out in your own consciousness, created from thought patterns that appear to be true. You do not understand the power of your mind so you externalize what you have made and blame a power outside. All the power of all of creation is within you. You are using this power to upset yourself needlessly. Understand the power of THOUGHT and you will be free again.And a thought cannot leave the mind that thought it. No matter what you use your freedom of thought to see in the world, none of it is outside of your mind. All of creation is happening within you.Therefore the world you appear to see outside you, which is experienced via THOUGHT, has not left your mind. You must forgive the world. To forgive is to see that it is merely a pattern of thought, and to release that pattern, restoring your mind to clarity.What makes you angry is your own thought patterns.You are playing with painful thought patterns.That is what is causing your anger. Nothing else.Much love for you my friend. You don't know me but I am your friend and I do appreciate you a lot. I know you wrote with anger. I acknowledge that anger within you. I am not afraid of it. I know its source and I know it is not you. You are a powerful being.
Quote from: Mike Cl on April 04, 2021, 07:18:50 PMPumita do not think you are the first to deliver this message--not even in this forum. I have searched for 'the answer' for most of my life. I have read 100's of books, talked to people of all kinds and watched video's of all manner of religious/spiritual thoughts. Unity, for example, suggests thoughts are the substance from which all else comes. A table could not exist without the thought of a table coming first. I agree with that idea. Where is the empirical data? The table. Can't build it without thinking about it--for the first one, anyway. I agree that you cannot change anything about me--my wife can't even do that. Nobody can--if we change it is because we want to. For me, I am ready to change my behaviors or thoughts if I think it will better me. But I have to do the changing. But I also have to hear what is suggested and in a way I can understand. BTW, I have not 'decided' how the world looks to me; I am deciding how it works for me. I also view my understanding of the world as an evolving thing; this is how the world is for me, until something comes along that makes me want to change. So far, you are mostly words and hot air. There is no there, 'there'. This is old hat; old thinking. Maybe if you could share with us who and what you are, that may help. Are you new to this line of thought? If so, what did the old you think and why did you change your mind. As you said, we can only change us, nobody else can. So, something caught your attention enough that you changed your thinking. Why?
Quote from: GSOgymrat on April 04, 2021, 10:37:08 PMIt's refreshing that you realize it is pointless to debate this topic. I don't really enjoy debate and I'm responding to express my thoughts on the topic, not to be argumentative.I agree that we are not our thoughts, that "CONSCIOUSNESS is the empty canvas through which MIND paints using THOUGHT and creates EXPERIENCE." That is why my tagline is "You are the sky. Everything else -- it's just the weather." I accept this as a metaphor for the nature of consciousness, which is an inherently subjective experience and difficult to explain. Where we differ is I don't see that "MIND is a higher level of consciousness that allows one to understand the secrets of life." You say one of these secrets is "MIND is love." This is where I become skeptical. If you had said the nature of MIND is equanimity, I could relate to that. Emotions, like thoughts, are clouds passing across the sky. They are ephemeral. Love, however, isn't like equanimity, it isn't neutral. Love is a very specific emotional state and a very desirable one. We are highly motivated for love to be the higher state of consciousness, people yearn for it. This is why people interpret a euphoric trip as Truth and not a horror trip. I would like to believe that there is a higher consciousness that is love, just as I would like to believe that everything that I am will not disappear when my body dies. Desire affects judgment-- we see what we want to see. Because love is an emotion, I suspect love, like all thoughts, emotions, and sensations, is yet another cloud passing across the sky.