Started by Paolo, December 07, 2020, 12:58:43 PM
Quote from: Paolo on December 12, 2020, 03:11:03 PMBUT I've heard the Catholic Church just doesn't accept any claim of miracles, the 'experts', among them probably scientists, of the Church, evaluate those claims, and have very detailed and rigorous standards for their acceptance. It's only THEN, after extensive investigation, that the Church claims: ''It was, indeed, a miracle''.Sounds like a skeptical procedure to me...
Quote from: Cassia on December 12, 2020, 06:29:48 PM"You give me the awful impression, I hate to have to say it, of someone who hasn't read any of the arguments against your position ever."-Hitch
Quote from: Cassia on December 12, 2020, 10:07:09 PMJust in case anyone wants to check on your local (US only) clergy. In my church a priest was raping girls as he was performing exorcisms on them. Imagine trying to recover from that. He confessed at least. https://bishop-accountability.org/priestdb/PriestDBbylastName-A.html
Quote from: Baruch on December 13, 2020, 07:43:07 AMScholarly skepticism not scientific skepticism. If one's standards are high enough, there is no point in believing anything of course. Materialists stop just short of that. If one's standards are high enough, there is no point in believing anything of course. Materialists stop just short of that.
Quote from: Simon Moon on December 14, 2020, 03:22:33 PMThis has nothing to do with correctly applied skepticism. Nor are all skeptics and atheists philosophical materialists. I am a methodological materialist. I do not make the claim, with absolute certainty, that the material is all that exists. But until someone is able to demonstrate that the nonmaterial does exist, what should my warrant be to accept the claim?Of course there is a point in believing in plenty of things. I am, after all, presented with some sort of reality that I can interact with. And I assume you accept that we all experience a shared reality?
Quote from: Baruch on December 14, 2020, 04:45:31 PMYour thoughts are immaterial. Your likes and dislikes are immaterial.
QuoteNone of that passes the scientific method for the most part. So are you saying your thoughts and emotions are objective? ... or you don't have any?
QuoteMethodological materialism is very good, if you are an engineer. It is not so good if you program a computer or write a novel. The physical book is physical, as is the computer, but the executing code is ephemeral, and the idea in a novel only exists in someone's mind when they read the novel.
Quote from: Paolo on December 12, 2020, 09:30:37 PMI understand that some so-called 'skeptics' are more dogmatic than their religious counterparts, unfortunately.
Quote from: Cassia on December 15, 2020, 10:47:57 PMThe funny thing about xtian miracles is how mundane they really are. We have the creator of the universe here trying to prove his existence to us and the answer is some pickled tongue? Water to wine? Really? If I was god I'd put a saddle on a blue whale and do a fly-by, tossing 100 carat diamond necklaces to my adoring fans while blasting the entire planet with heavenly music. Then I would rearrange the constellations to spell "I am the lord thy gawd". Sorry Taurus and Gemini. This doesn't have to be so difficult. There would be no doubt.
Quote from: Hydra009 on December 15, 2020, 09:40:37 PMDo you have anyone in mind as an example? (so we know what you consider dogmatic) Or will the skeptics have to take that as a given as well?
Quote from: GSOgymrat on December 17, 2020, 05:43:36 AM