Started by Munch, March 31, 2020, 11:02:35 PM
QuoteWould it have been better if we weren't spoiled, if times continued to be just as hard as 1929-1949?
Quote from: Munch on March 31, 2020, 11:02:35 PMThis isn't really a deep dive into it, more just a casual observation on the stare of todays society as a whole.Often I've heard the word toxicity thrown around into many peoples description of other people, a lot of the time to do with pushing your own agenda as a way of validation of your own and dismissing the other.I've become convinced however, that toxic behavior, and a sense of entitlement, often with a narcissistic tone to it, has become an almost universal concept within many modern day cultures and societies. I mean all you really have to do is spend half an hour online looking over any forums, any news comment sections, any youtube videos, play any game with a chat box, anything that allows for people to speak freely, and the toxicity can sometimes be to much before it poisons the well.And I think this is what just drives me around from any kind of groups of people, only feeling at ease within the small amount of people I know and trust most (which itself came even sometimes crop up but as is human nature).I mean human nature has always has such behavior to it, I'm more thinking of the way concepts, ideologues and followings, no matter how much you want to believe in a cause, a side, a following, those ideals and concepts ultimately become poisoned by toxic people poisoning the waters. Lets take todays social liberal leaning left. I think today, there are so many toxic people that have infested the left leaning side of the political system, that the more rational thinking liberals have been bulldozed over by the extreme side, the ones who are incapable of thinking rationally. They scream the loudest, get all the attention, and if anyone on the left whos as say a more rational left leaning person speaks up that their extreme minded compatriots are going to far, those same extreme minded, toxic and entitled individuals start accusing people in their own political spectrum as being 'a dirty right leaning fascist!'.Of course you have this behavior on any side of the political spectrum. It of course makes it easier for someone on one side to look at the other side, and only see the extremists who just make the entire side of the spectrum ugly and corroded. Toxic and heavy handed behavior stands out more in todays society then the rational thinkers ever will. Just for the record, when sjws are refereed to, anyone on the left shouldn't take insult to this as if their entire political belief system is being lambasted, instead you should look at the toxic behavior of those in your political group and distance yourself from them. In the same way someone whos right or conservative leaning should distance themselves from those who look down on others based on class, race or wealth. Toxic entitlement, belief that only your view of society is the correct way and anyone else is at fault is just something that needs to be studied more. I think it should be brought into question and looked at what a toxic personality does to all forms of outlook and behavior, and why it should be treated more like a psychological condition rather then letting it become part of society, like we see so much of today.
Quote from: Mike Cl on April 01, 2020, 09:24:12 AMActually, Munch, there is a clinical test going on right now; Trump is the personification of toxic; Fox News is his major media supporter. The virus is accelerating this test as more and more of the US is succumbing to that way of thinking. Actually, the entire world is turning more and more authoritative by the day. And it isn't the left that is driving that.
Quote from: Munch on April 01, 2020, 11:10:36 AMWell I never accused the left of driving it. But their are just as many toxic people on the left as there are on the right, and even centrists can be just as toxic. It isn't a case that one side is more or less toxic then another, what it's about is the nature of toxic behaviour, entitlement and narcisissm that can come into any demographic and poison it.
Quote from: Mike Cl on April 01, 2020, 11:37:21 AMToxic behavior has no limits--it can, and does, effect any and all groups. I don't have any studies that backs me up, but I'd say the conservatives exhibit much more of the toxic thoughts and actions than do the liberals. Yes, both have extremes, but the conservative/right love to tout their christianhood and that simply adds to their toxic nature. And trump is driving the viability of the toxic right--it is okay, according to him, to be a skinhead or the like--those groups have many fine people........Munch, you seem to have a real blind spot about liberals. Yes, some are toxic; hell, the best possible group out there are Yankee fans, hands down! But some of those are toxic. At the moment, conservatives are embracing toxic attitudes, thoughts and actions much more than the left. I totally dislike what any toxic person does or says no matter the group. But I don't see any liberal movement that is sweeping the world that has any kind of power that is being displayed by the conservative/right--more and more are allowing/helping those types to gain power world wide; that does not bode well for the future. Hunger Games anyone???
Quote from: Shiranu on April 01, 2020, 01:02:17 AMConsidering we were on the verge of annihilating ourselves, I'm going to go with a hard no.Strength without wisdom is useless at best, destructive at worse.
Quote from: aitm on April 01, 2020, 08:36:08 AMI guess because or maybe due to, working in construction, I donâ€™t see any of the behaviors you guys often talk about. Then again, the ethnicity of construction workers is changing rapidly towards Latino and Hispanic who donâ€™t share these ideals. Iâ€™ll just have to take your word for it and shake my head vigorously at the whole of the kit and kaboodle.....or not at all.....