Started by Baruch, March 11, 2020, 12:30:46 AM
Quote from: Baruch on May 31, 2020, 10:43:52 PMResearch into the Positivist political agenda of the academics who founded it. This was Fabian communism. We did get public schools more and more as we go into the 20th century. My father's father was still unusual, to have completed HS, in 1916. The government schools (rather than religious) and the movement after 1900 to remove religious control from governance of universities and colleges, and mandatory chapel for students ... are all part of the secular progressivism we know as Progressives (see Wisconsin/Minnesota) from 1920. Gradual, non-radical reform along the lines immigrants from Scandinavia were looking for. This is why Minneapolis is burning now.The narrative of utopian sociology is ... The Foundation, by Isaac Asimov.
Quote from: Vulcan on June 03, 2020, 04:55:43 PMHaven't read the Foundation (though I have a copy of the entire thing on my shelf). So I'd need some context for the last remark.I think academics have been proponents for positive progress since Socrates/Plato. And why not? Though they're not perfect, they are willing to look at information with rigorous scrutiny, and use logical argument. (Unlike the rest of the populace.)Marx has influenced many disciplines (history, philosophy, sociology)-- true. But only because he made some very good points. And had some very compelling methodologies for interpreting history and society.Sure. Marx's theory is weak in many ways. But I don't blame anyone for taking him seriously. So many of his criticisms were on point. And, as I'm sure you know, even proponents of Marx in academia reject a great many of his ideas. But only a fool would reject the whole of Marx's criticisms.I, for one, like Marx's take on why Minneapolis is burning now.