Started by Gregory, February 28, 2020, 10:16:25 PM
Quote from: Munch on February 29, 2020, 05:37:45 AMAww, guess I'll have to tell my nephew that Muhammad won't come visiting on his flying pink unicorn from the moon then
Quote from: Baruch on February 29, 2020, 01:29:27 AMAll religions are based on hagiography, not history.
Quote from: Baruch on February 29, 2020, 05:51:42 AMNo, on a former US President, Burach Obama ;-)
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 29, 2020, 01:30:02 PMYeah, that and syncretism.
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 29, 2020, 01:32:23 PMI just noticed the similarity between "Burach" and "Baruch" - are you sure you're not him?
Quote from: Sal1981 on March 05, 2020, 11:15:28 AMLanguage is more like a cipher than anything. Symbols we use to determine a common meaning and understanding.
Quote from: Baruch on March 05, 2020, 12:40:16 PMYes!But there has to be a common meaning/understanding between the people in conversation (or one directional from historical author to reader). Semaphore means nothing in itself, it is a channel, not data. Triggered data on one end is signaled to triggered data on the other end. Regular information theory is based on the channel and data being the same. As if the FM frequency is the same as the radio station content. Without humans on each end, a decrypted cypher is simply gibberish translated into new gibberish. Like the Easter Island wood carvings.So with the Quran for example, that is a particular political-economy speaking out of about 750 CE into the present. It means something, to Muslims on this end, and like all scripture it can't be cross-examined because the communication is one-way. The Latin Bible is a different political-economy speaking out of about 350 CE into the present ... while hitchhiking on the back of yet another political-economy speaking out of 150 CE. Futuristic idealists of course want to jettison the past, it is too constricting. But even if you try to ignore the past, you are the product of it.
Quote from: Gregory on March 05, 2020, 08:20:04 PMWe all products of our past, but when the past is simply gibberish to us, we are not communing with the past, we are simply reciting in an echo chamber of our own desire.
Quote from: Baruch on March 05, 2020, 08:39:54 PMThat is what "woke" is. We had this in the 60s, we called it "cool". As a Baby Boomer, I am supposed to be entitled to anything I want, anytime, anyplace, at the expense of anyone other than myself. If it feels good, just do it. If you can't do it for yourself, organize a pressure group to get the government to do it for you.
Quote from: Gregory on March 05, 2020, 08:42:16 PMSatanism has never been big, except with kooks.