Started by SGOS, November 25, 2019, 10:21:36 AM
Quote from: Mr.Obvious on November 27, 2019, 12:49:06 AMDon't know how it is in America for sure.But we once had an AA-speaker come over to work to explain his organisation. Before the talk I told my colleagues, 'watch it, they are a bit cult-y'. They didn't believe me.Dude spent 45 minutes of his allotted half hour rambling on in a confused manner and expressing at least 100 times how they were not a cult.My colleagues told me I was right, afterwards.
Quote from: Mr.Obvious on November 27, 2019, 06:54:56 PMNot everything, though most of my colleagues also seem to be atheist. Church is still pretty big here too. My sister works for a religious charity organization.She's atheist too, I think, but hey, what are you going to do.
Quote from: SGOS on November 25, 2019, 10:21:36 AMThe other thread on Lourdes sparked something in my mind that I have never articulated to myself before. In AA's Big Book, Bill Wilson says, "You may be the type of alcoholic that can only be cured by a spiritual experience." ...
Quote from: SGOS on February 16, 2020, 11:39:54 AMHey gymrat, It's good to see you. I've wondered where you had gone, and hope all is well.
Quote from: SGOS on February 16, 2020, 11:39:54 AMCurrent research may find drugs useful in psychotherapy. It may find spiritual experiences useful, just as it may find placebos to be useful. Hopefully, the researchers are not looking for spiritual cures, just cures, because I don't believe they will ever find an actual God or spirituality. Is walking in the woods and having a heart swelling sense of awe, spirituality? Or is it just another manifestation of love? I would rather not discuss spirituality without a clear definition of what that is. And even then I may question the definition.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on February 16, 2020, 02:47:26 PMAll is well. I read a book on digital minimalism and decided to limit my time online. I reallocated the time I was spending online to reading more books and meditating. I even went on a 7-day, vegan, no reading, no talking, meditation retreat, which is by far the most hippie thing I have ever done.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on February 16, 2020, 02:47:26 PMIn terms of research, most of the studies I've read have focused on whether there is a measurable therapeutic effect, not why. Many people who have participated describe their experience as "spiritual" and one study did have a definition of this experience including loss of sense of self, visual perceptual changes and other conditions but I can't find the study. I have experienced awe regarding nature but I've never had what I consider a spiritual experience and I don't think I've experienced euphoria.