The Logic of Atheists vs. Theist Arguments

[Cavebear]

Logographic anarchists.  All letters are bull shit.  Prove me wrong?  Yes, semantics is real.

The difficulty of logograms is logarithmic!  No wonder so many Chinese learn phonogramic languages.

Hey, if Trump was Chinese, would that make him a Mandarin Orange?  (sorry)  Well, at least he wouldn't tweet much...

[Baruch]

"Nearly missed us" would mean it hit us.

It did in 1/2 of the infinite versions of the multiverse.

@Cavebear ... liked your last joke.

[Cavebear]

Socialists want to financially fail at everything (because autism) and blame it o something else.

You are not only missing letters, you are missing whole words.  Should you eat an energy bar or go to bed?  Just mentioning...

[Baruch]

You are not only missing letters, you are missing whole words.  Should you eat an energy bar or go to bed?  Just mentioning...

I modded my just previous post.

[Cavebear]

It did in 1/2 of the infinite versions of the multiverse.

@Cavebear ... liked your last joke.

Well, by that logic it did an infinite number of times.  Because what is half of infinity, after all? 

Thanks about the joke.  I'm like a hot dog. (on a roll).

[SGOS]

Yes, though I don't have a belief that there are ETs out there, I think it's more a matter of what we accept as a default position on their existence/non-existence. I use the default "no aliens" while many use the default "aliens." All of the aliens humans have imagined have been just that - imagined. Mere projections of our desires and fears, like gods. But the concept of alien intelligence doesn't seem to have any logical inconsistencies, so I concede that I could be wrong about the existence of aliens. But since the concept of God is filled to the rim with contradictions, I conclude that God does not exist. Of course, I could still be wrong and simply have yet encountered an argument that allows God a logical possibility of existing, an argument that clears up all of the seeming contradictions in the idea of God. But the fact is, I've yet to encounter that argument, so I'll continue with my working hypothesis that there is no God.

My default is that they do exist based on the vastness of the universe, but I recognize that is only an assumption on my part, because I have no actual knowledge, but only an extrapolation of a quantity that is unknown to begin with.  Oddly, many theists claim there cannot be aliens with a lot more assuredness than either you or I, because they think the Bible tells them so, although I don't think the Bible address the actual existence of extraterrestrials, unless maybe it's life in Heaven or Hell.  Come to think of it, the Mormons might actually be ahead of most Christians on this one, with the dead heads of a Mormon households being given their own planets to rule, although in fairness they have the advantage of post Biblical science, with the understanding that the Earth is a planet, like Venus and Mars.  Christians don't have that luxury, even in spite of years watching Star Trek reruns.

[Cavebear]

I modded my just previous post.

And very well done!  As Hancock would say "Good Job"!

[Cavebear]

My default is that they do exist based on the vastness of the universe, but I recognize that is only an assumption on my part, because I have no actual knowledge, but only an extrapolation of a quantity that is unknown to begin with.  Oddly, many theists claim there cannot be aliens with a lot more assuredness than either you or I, because they think the Bible tells them so, although I don't think the Bible address the actual existence of extraterrestrials, unless maybe it's life in Heaven or Hell.  Come to think of it, the Mormons might actually be ahead of most Christians on this one, with the dead heads of a Mormon households being given their own planets to rule, although in fairness they have the advantage of post Biblical science, with the understanding that the Earth is a planet, like Venus and Mars.  Christians don't have that luxury, even in spite of years watching Star Trek reruns.

I agree based on vastness.  Statistics tell us that there are generally 4 states of possibilities.  An event might not ever happen, happen once, or happen many times.  What is nearly impossible is that an event happen only twice.

So the sitch is that if we find evidence of a second, then it has to be many times...

[Unbeliever]

As a demi-god, my every fart is a revelation.

So, you use Revelation H?

[Cavebear]

So, you use Revelation H?

I missed that post of his, I think (or do I?) but I'm reminded of an 1800s London story where some poor guy had dogs following him all around and was accused of stealing the.  At the Judges Docket, it turned out that in a pub fight, his opponent has shoved an umbrella up the guy's butt and the tip broke off.  So every time he "sighed" (farted) all the local dogs heard a whistle...

[Unbeliever]

My default is that they do exist based on the vastness of the universe, but I recognize that is only an assumption on my part, because I have no actual knowledge, but only an extrapolation of a quantity that is unknown to begin with.  Oddly, many theists claim there cannot be aliens with a lot more assuredness than either you or I, because they think the Bible tells them so, although I don't think the Bible address the actual existence of extraterrestrials, unless maybe it's life in Heaven or Hell.  Come to think of it, the Mormons might actually be ahead of most Christians on this one, with the dead heads of a Mormon households being given their own planets to rule, although in fairness they have the advantage of post Biblical science, with the understanding that the Earth is a planet, like Venus and Mars.  Christians don't have that luxury, even in spite of years watching Star Trek reruns.

Yeah, I just set my default at "none," realizing that I might have to change that to "some" eventually. But even if there are aliens out there, they almost certainly will never interact with Earth, since they'd have to be within at least a few thousand light years, I'd think, for us to even know they exist.

[Cavebear]

Yeah, I just set my default at "none," realizing that I might have to change that to "some" eventually. But even if there are aliens out there, they almost certainly will never interact with Earth, since they'd have to be within at least a few thousand light years, I'd think, for us to even know they exist.

My default is set at "probable" but as you say, space is vast.  I don't expect any alien spacecraft to show up soon.  And if any did, the difference in technology would make any objection moot.  Star Trek will never happen.  You are either the arrivees or you're dead if they want you to be. 

I killed an ant colony last week.  They were just pests... 

[Unbeliever]

If they're very far away, we'd see them as they were long ago, maybe in a galaxy far away.

[Cavebear]

If they're very far away, we'd see them as they were long ago, maybe in a galaxy far away.

I wonder how many OTHER people realize that Star Wars happened far away and in the past...  90% of people I know think it is the future.

Thank you...

PS:  10 more minutes and I can stop drinking wine and have a COCKTAIL!  It will be 5 o clockers...

[Unbeliever]

Ten minutes can take forever to pass when anticipation is making you wait! LOL