How many GODS do you have?

[Hydra009]

The case of genuinely ethical atheists is an anomaly worth investigating.

There are literally millions of us.

[Unbeliever]

I think it passes from generation and is stamped upon the soul of all who are born and will be born.  It is a masterful piece of propaganda!  One is sinful from birth and the only thing that can purge that is to accept Jesus as you saviour.  And how do you do that?  Just listen to whatever christian leader you like.  It helps keep the coffers full!

Yeah, gotta keep those coffers overflowing! LOL

[Simon Moon]

If anything your view is supported by only a minority of historians, and regardless of his beliefs, his objective was the obliteration of all religion in favor of scientism.

You are again, incorrect.

Does this sound like atheist?

"t was by the Will of God that men were made of a certain bodily shape, were given their natures and their faculties. Whoever destroys His work wages war against God's Creation and God's Will"

"And so I believe to-day that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator. In standing guard against the Jew I am defending the handiwork of the Lord."

"“The most marvellous proof of the superiority of Man, which puts man ahead of the animals, is the fact that he understands that there must be a Creator.”


But here's the ugly truth.

Even of Hitler was an atheist, he sure found it very easy to get the 85% of the German population that were Christian, to fall, lockstep behind his policies.

So, where was all that 'theistic morality' in the Christian majority of the Germans?

[Absolute_Agent]

That was a good insight, in my view.  And I am familiar with that concept--Original Sin.  It is one of the reasons I find it impossible to think god is anything other than a human fictional construct.  God is the one and only Creator of the entire universe; yet he cannot get his creation correct.  And he blames it upon his creation and not on the originator of it all.  But, Original Sin  is a brilliant concept to foist upon the masses as an instrument of control.  And it has been wildly successful.

The church created many false doctrines like this to entrench their power.  Indulgences is another example.

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[Absolute_Agent]

You are again, incorrect.

Does this sound like atheist?

"t was by the Will of God that men were made of a certain bodily shape, were given their natures and their faculties. Whoever destroys His work wages war against God's Creation and God's Will"

"And so I believe to-day that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator. In standing guard against the Jew I am defending the handiwork of the Lord."

"“The most marvellous proof of the superiority of Man, which puts man ahead of the animals, is the fact that he understands that there must be a Creator.”


But here's the ugly truth.

Even of Hitler was an atheist, he sure found it very easy to get the 85% of the German population that were Christian, to fall, lockstep behind his policies.

So, where was all that 'theistic morality' in the Christian majority of the Germans?

Are you so gullible to believe that what a politician says reflects his true beliefs?  Christians have always historically been racist towards Jews. They were deceived by the devil, using their own religiousity.  Theists need to be very careful of going to extremes in religion.  Too much of a good thing becomes poison for all.

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[Simon Moon]

Are you so gullible to believe that what a politician says reflects his true beliefs?

Of course not. But what else do we have to go on besides his writings and speeches?

We have the account of one friend that says he was an atheist, but many more accounts of him being a theist.

Christians have always historically been racist towards Jews. They were deceived by the devil, using their own religiosity.  Theists need to be very careful of going to extremes in religion.  Too much of a good thing becomes poison for all.

Sorry, but I don't care to get involved in fights between competing mythologies. This is for you to take up with those with differing ridiculous theistic beliefs than yours.

[Baruch]

You are again, incorrect.

Does this sound like atheist?

"t was by the Will of God that men were made of a certain bodily shape, were given their natures and their faculties. Whoever destroys His work wages war against God's Creation and God's Will"

"And so I believe to-day that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator. In standing guard against the Jew I am defending the handiwork of the Lord."

"“The most marvellous proof of the superiority of Man, which puts man ahead of the animals, is the fact that he understands that there must be a Creator.”


But here's the ugly truth.

Even of Hitler was an atheist, he sure found it very easy to get the 85% of the German population that were Christian, to fall, lockstep behind his policies.

So, where was all that 'theistic morality' in the Christian majority of the Germans?

German guilt is complicated and ancient.  See "Constantine's Sword".  Also the religion of the Nazis, even if not political cynicism, is neo-pagan.  Hitler intended to destroy Christianity along with Judaism, for the same reasons the first modern anti-semite, Voltaire, did.

[Baruch]

Fact is, by his words in public and private, Hitler believed in a god.

In fact, he was a creationist.

He also persecuted many atheist groups/

You are misinformed on this.

Absolute_Agent is using "atheist" in the general pejorative way, not in the specific epistemological way.

[Baruch]

He also had a bit of a messiah complex.

And he was a vegeterian.

Ergo, vegetarians are evil.

In 1940 Hitler was hailed as the God of War.  By the end of 1941, not so much.  Sic transit gloria mundi.  Hitler's primary psychology was Wagnerian pagan hero.

[Baruch]

Yeah, as Abraham Lincoln said, "when I go good, I feel good, when I do bad I feel bad. And that's my religion."

Lincoln and Grant were both reasonable men.  The Radical Republicans who supported them, were vicious Federalists.

[Unbeliever]

Absolute_Agent is using "atheist" in the general pejorative way, not in the specific epistemological way.

Yeah, what a coincidence, huh?

[Baruch]

Funny how none of the Catholic Nazis were ever excommunicated by the RCC, huh?

Fascism (national socialism) was a thing, in all Catholic countries.  Part of their crusade against Communism.  The Vatican saw Communism as an existential threat that required "ends justify the means".  Initially Mussolini was the "golem" of the Vatican in the 20s, but Hitler took over that role in the 30s.  As happens with all "golems" (see Frankenstein's Monster as the secular version) ... they go berserk and have to be destroyed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golem

An episode of X-files featured a golem.

[Baruch]

If anything your view is supported by only a minority of historians, and regardless of his beliefs, his objective was the obliteration of all religion in favor of scientism.

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Not true.  His minions used science, because it was useful for evil, and because of "Futurism" which is allied to "Scientism".  "Futurism" is an early 20th century movement that fetished technology.  Hitler was a neo-pagan.

[Baruch]

No one's ever explained, to my knowledge, how "original sin" is passed from generation to generation. Is it passed through the genes? Does the soul have spiritual genes to pass it? Just how does that work?

This confused the early Church also.  Difficult metaphysics.  Adam is universal man, so when he farted, all humanity farted.

[Baruch]

I think it passes from generation and is stamped upon the soul of all who are born and will be born.  It is a masterful piece of propaganda!  One is sinful from birth and the only thing that can purge that is to accept Jesus as you saviour.  And how do you do that?  Just listen to whatever christian leader you like.  It helps keep the coffers full!

That was one reason.  But non-orthodox .. if by that both the body and soul are inherited from both parents.  The orthodox version is that the soul is "ab inito".  The body is inherited by both parents.  Each soul starts temporally innocent, but eternally shadowed by the sin of Adam.  This is also why it was necessary to imagine that Mary didn't conceive Jesus except as a virgin.  But to justify Jesus' perfection, her sainthood was continually elevated, even to today.  The theory being is that Jesus is the only human with a heavenly father, and the only human with a mother free of original sin.  A good reason why I deny all theological pretzel making.