Stop looking for ET: modelling suggests we’re alone in the universe

Started by Unbeliever, April 25, 2019, 08:25:36 PM

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Unbeliever

QuoteOxford University researchers run the numbers and conclude intelligent life beyond Earth is highly unlikely.


https://cosmosmagazine.com/space/stop-looking-for-et-modelling-suggests-we-re-alone-in-the-universe


If we are, indeed, alone in the (observable) universe, then we are the only generators and carriers of meaning. If we die off, so will any meaning we've generated, and no further meaning can be generated unless others like us come to exist.
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_Xenu_

It doesn't matter if they are out there or not, space is too vast for us to ever meet each other. Anyway, I suspect intelligent life has a tendency to destroy itself like we are right now with fossil fuels.

https://bigthink.com/matt-davis/is-the-universe-a-graveyard-the-great-filter-theory-explains-why-we-havent-found-alien-life
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Shiranu

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Hydra009

Quote from: Shiranu on April 25, 2019, 09:33:29 PM
Everything shall return to nothing... that's just the way it is.
But also, nothing returns to everything...

Mr.Obvious

The Fermi paradox never truck me as a paradox anyway.
Just an inability to comprehend the vastness of space.
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drunkenshoe

As it is said above: highly improbable.

However, this actually started to get on my nerves as much as 'the aliens are everywhere among us wohoooo' bullshit. What is the purpose here? Questioning the math? Questioning the laws of physics? What's the idea?

I think this is the good old anthropomorphism in the new age. Humans inherently think they are special in the universe and that any extra terrestrial intelligence of course should contact, may be even seek for them. It will look equally stupid, but for the sake of looking for a logic in this; if you can pitch something like this while the matter of size is clear, when you don't even have the technology of transportation in your star system -let alone the galaxy- any practical technology to seek life at least around your neighbourhood that means you are expecting a call. How laughable is that? Why? Why do they think some ET should contact human civilisation? Same vision of the middle ages with the world in the center of the universe.

Pretty much with in the same vision, we can also assume that may be they marked our species as reavers and programmed the traffic to avoid the region in general, for extreme caution.

So it's pretty much the otherway around. Even we manage to spread to other planets and moons in Solar System and live hundreds of thousands, millions of years, it is possible we might not get a contact. Ever.

Yes, we are that fucking small. Yes, it's that big. Get over it. 


   
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Gawdzilla Sama

Quote from: Mr.Obvious on April 26, 2019, 01:48:27 AM
The Fermi paradox never truck me as a paradox anyway.
Just an inability to comprehend the vastness of space.
It was a "quick jot down" that got out of control.
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Gawdzilla Sama

Quote from: Unbeliever on April 25, 2019, 08:25:36 PM

https://cosmosmagazine.com/space/stop-looking-for-et-modelling-suggests-we-re-alone-in-the-universe


If we are, indeed, alone in the (observable) universe, then we are the only generators and carriers of meaning. If we die off, so will any meaning we've generated, and no further meaning can be generated unless others like us come to exist.
And "meaning" is meaningless. Races like humans could be popping up everywhere with regularity and then dying away, and the Universe doesn't even have the capacity to give a fuck about them.
We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
PZ Myers

Mike Cl

For me, the math demonstrates that it would be impossible for us to be the only 'life' (that is a word very difficult to describe accurately) in the universe; and 'intelligent' life only slightly less likely.  So, I think, life does exist elsewhere in the universe.  That does not mean we will ever know for the universe is that vast.  As for meaning, there isn't any, except on a deeply personal level.
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Baruch

Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on April 26, 2019, 07:41:47 AM
It was a "quick jot down" that got out of control.

Read a biography of Fermi, when I was in HS ... he was one smart nuclear scientist.
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Gawdzilla Sama

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PZ Myers

Unbeliever

Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on April 26, 2019, 07:43:34 AM
And "meaning" is meaningless. Races like humans could be popping up everywhere with regularity and then dying away, and the Universe doesn't even have the capacity to give a fuck about them.
But they are the universe, since the universe is within them as much as it's outside them. We humans, for example, are made of the same atoms and molecules we see out there in deepest space, and in the same proportions. So if we have meaning for ourselves, the meaning we give to our lives, then the universe, through us, has meaning as well. We give meaning to the universe, not the other way round.
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Baruch

Quote from: Unbeliever on April 26, 2019, 01:34:04 PM
But they are the universe, since the universe is within them as much as it's outside them. We humans, for example, are made of the same atoms and molecules we see out there in deepest space, and in the same proportions. So if we have meaning for ourselves, the meaning we give to our lives, then the universe, through us, has meaning as well. We give meaning to the universe, not the other way round.

Correct ... but check your privilege ... chordate ;-)  Echinoderms arise!

So basically, you can see why I say ... demigods.  Pebbles and sand don't give much meaning.
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Gawdzilla Sama

Quote from: Unbeliever on April 26, 2019, 01:34:04 PM
But they are the universe, since the universe is within them as much as it's outside them. We humans, for example, are made of the same atoms and molecules we see out there in deepest space, and in the same proportions. So if we have meaning for ourselves, the meaning we give to our lives, then the universe, through us, has meaning as well. We give meaning to the universe, not the other way round.
Bullshit.
We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
PZ Myers