Any gamers around here?

[Plu]

Of all the reasons why Call of Duty is shit, you had to pick the silliest one :P

[Jason78]

Your nerves aren't jumping for REAL in a video game.

Then I envy you.

I still have trouble playing Starcraft II against humans because it takes me about an hour to get back to normal after all the adrenaline coursing though my veins.

[GrinningYMIR]

Your nerves aren't jumping for REAL in a video game.

Then I envy you.

I still have trouble playing Starcraft II against humans because it takes me about an hour to get back to normal after all the adrenaline coursing though my veins.

I must admit a flow of panic goes through me when I play SC and I all of a sudden notice a strike force massing outside of my weaker defended side

[mykcob4]

I get that its entertainment. It get it really I do. If people reacted like it was entertainment that would be fine, but lets face it, they don't.
These war games and blow up murder games have an adverse effect especially on young children. They make them think that there is no consequence to their actions. And thats the thing.
I met a 30 something kid that was telling me just how good he was at some war game. He specifically singled me out to tell me all about it. I first told him that I wasn't at all interested. He pressed the issue say that he thought that I would want to hear all about it being that I'm a Vet. I told him that he isn't even close to knowing what combat is like and most if not all people that experienced combat don't want to talk about it, much less celebrate a video game that professes to be realistic. He said it IS realistic.
I told him that if I shot you then you'd know what realism is. A video game is superficial, it's not real. It is a way to waste time and money. If it's your time and money then fine, do what you wish, but don't come up to me like you're some Vet just because you can push a few buttons better than some other guy/girl.

[Plu]

These war games and blow up murder games have an adverse effect especially on young children.

This is the kind of bullshit peddled by 'concerned parents', but it's been proven over and over again to be just that: bullshit. Children understand the difference between games and reality just fine. And if they didn't, they'd be at equal risk from reading books, watching movies and even watching the evening news.

EDIT: or, you know, from playing cops and robbers.

[Shol'va]

He said it IS realistic.

Right there and then I would have asked him how he is able to make that determination without having experienced combat first hand and having weighed the two. Sounds to me like you talked to a giant douchebag because the guy failed to recognize that he was relying on what he THOUGHT actual combat would be like. All respect for you being a vet.
Being "realistic" can mean a lot of things. Are we talking object physics? Graphics? What? There is no way to experience the psychological impact of actually being in the trenches; no game can properly render that.

A parent's responsibility is making sure the kid plays stuff that is appropriate for their age. The danger of exposing them to things above and beyond their ability, be it violence or complex philosophical issues, is the fact that they won't know how to negotiate/process/deal with something like that on their own and they may draw wrong conclusions. Having said that, there is no evidence to support that they are desensitized by seeing virtual violence.

[mykcob4]

These war games and blow up murder games have an adverse effect especially on young children.

This is the kind of bullshit peddled by 'concerned parents', but it's been proven over and over again to be just that: bullshit. Children understand the difference between games and reality just fine. And if they didn't, they'd be at equal risk from reading books, watching movies and even watching the evening news.

EDIT: or, you know, from playing cops and robbers.

The data may support what you say, but I DO know this from experience. Children become desesatized very easily. In Somolia the kids ranged from 10 to 14 and they were by far the most dangerous because they had no sensativity, no conscious at all. It was hard to cut them down but if you didn't you were going to get shot...a lot.
I don't get your "cops and robbers" comment. Is it suppose to be some kind of cutdown?

[Shol'va]

You're talking about two vastly different data points here; real life combatants that have experienced some really rough shit vs any random privileged kid sitting on his couch punching buttons.

Exposing children and people in general to some very very rough aspects of life is going to make for some very callous personalities, that much is true. But, be very careful to what extent you apply this. The question is: what are they being exposed to and to what extent. Real life and the digital world ain't the same and you yourself have made a point out of this above.
Or are you in agreement that a strategy game can properly simulate all aspects of combat as if one is there? Then I guess the guy you were talking to about strategy games has a point!

They make them think that there is no consequence to their actions

This is an inherent aspect of being a child, and what I mean by that is reasoning ability and to properly grasp consequences. It's one of the reasons adults are tried as adults and minors are (generally) tried as minors in a court of law (juvenile justice). Am I wrong on that?

[Shiranu]

I would just like to say I played the shit out of shooters and GTA as a child, as did several of my friends, and I have not known a single person who slept with a hooker then stabbed her and ran her over 500 times... nor drove a motorcycle off a building thinking it would be cool to do a 360-backflip onto the next building.

If people are going to think video games let them do stuff like that in real life, they are people who would do stuff like that in real life anyways.

[Hydra009]

Hey so what's going on in this thread?

<looks at Halo not realistic and murder simulator posts>

[Shiranu]

Hey so what's going on in this thread?

<looks at Halo not realistic and murder simulator posts>

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Halo isn't realistic... unless you can jump 8 feet in the air (to be fair... steroids and super human armour), bullets fly straight and never drop at all (even if shot from 200 miles away) and you can shoot rocket launchers at your feet to get yourself more air time.

[Plu]

These war games and blow up murder games have an adverse effect especially on young children.

This is the kind of bullshit peddled by 'concerned parents', but it's been proven over and over again to be just that: bullshit. Children understand the difference between games and reality just fine. And if they didn't, they'd be at equal risk from reading books, watching movies and even watching the evening news.

EDIT: or, you know, from playing cops and robbers.

The data may support what you say, but I DO know this from experience. Children become desesatized very easily. In Somolia the kids ranged from 10 to 14 and they were by far the most dangerous because they had no sensativity, no conscious at all. It was hard to cut them down but if you didn't you were going to get shot...a lot.
I don't get your "cops and robbers" comment. Is it suppose to be some kind of cutdown?

I don't think the kids in Somalia played a videogame in their life, so I don't see how that's even relevant. Also if the data supports what I say and personal experience supports what you say, that's called an anecdote and those are not considered proof of anything.

And the cops and robbers arguments simply points out that children have been playing games that involve shooting and violence (as well as hearing stories, and singing songs, and watching news) since the dawn of time and there's no reason to assume that just because the graphics have gotten prettier that now suddenly it has a different kind of impact on them.

[frosty]

I've played a lot of good game titles on Steam lately (thanks Autumn Sale!) but I'm so butthurt that nobody here (except pickelledeggs) added me on Steam when I wanted them to so out of spite I will not post the game titles I have played recently in this thread.

[Shiranu]

Since I forgot to mention it and no one else did, the game Halo also has nothing to do with the parachuting term, it comes from the fact that you are on a ring world (halo).

[GrinningYMIR]

I've played a lot of good game titles on Steam lately (thanks Autumn Sale!) but I'm so butthurt that nobody here (except pickelledeggs) added me on Steam when I wanted them to so out of spite I will not post the game titles I have played recently in this thread.

I don't use steam frosty  :shock: